Who has more Ancient Greek ancestry -- modern mainland Greeks, or eastern Sicilians and Calabrese?

Question speaks for itself.

Genetically, mainland Greeks are more "Balkan" than are Sicilians/Calabrese, Cypriots, and Anatolian Greeks who all cluster closer to one another (although Cypriots are a bit more Levantine than the rest). And have more of an Eastern European influence in their genes, even though it's not the most significant to their genes.

Calabrese, obviously.

Btw I said eastern Sicilians rather than the whole island since western Sicilians have a lot of Semitic and Norman ancestry and a mixture more akin to Ashkenazis.

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

Question speaks for itself.

Genetically, mainland Greeks are more "Balkan" than are Sicilians/Calabrese, Cypriots, and Anatolian Greeks who all cluster closer to one another (although Cypriots are a bit more Levantine than the rest). And have more of an Eastern European influence in their genes, even though it's not the most significant to their genes.

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The Greek contribution to the Sicilian and Calabrese genome is about 37%.

I could argue that Illyrians, Thracians and other Balkan races were kin races to Ancient Greeks, and most Balkanites have some of this ancestry. So you can say we mixed with kin races, and no population on earth is unmixed. Italians too have mixed with Balkanites. Still our mixing with them is negligible.

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Originally Posted by Raine

The Greek contribution to the Sicilian and Calabrese genome is about 37%.

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That's island-wide for Sicily. If you consider that Trapani and Enna were the two areas most sampled, Trapani probably has very little Greek and Enna probably a lot. So eastern Sicily would be pushing 75%+ for Greek, while far western parts of the island are probably close to 10% or so.

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

That's island-wide for Sicily. If you consider that Trapani and Enna were the two areas most sampled, Trapani probably has very little Greek and Enna probably a lot. So eastern Sicily would be pushing 75%+ for Greek, while far western parts of the island are probably close to 10% or so.

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Even Apuglia and Central Italy has some Ancient Greek, we may have some Roman too, do you think people in Sicily have not changed at all in 2500 years?

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Originally Posted by Raine

Even Apuglia and Central Italy has some Ancient Greek, we may have some Roman too, do you think people in Sicily have not changed at all in 2500 years?

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Eastern Sicilians I think have changed very little since the Greeks settled. Those in the west have changed more due to more migration to there -- but they cluster closest to Jews and have both a strong Levantine and Norman input. Romans were not large settlers.

Subsequent groups like the Spanish and French, had little genetic impact if any.

I doubt Calabrese/E. Sicilians are very Greek in an ancient-racial sense. These were just enclaves, and enclaves don't last very long.

In Greece, most regions are surrounded by and mix with others of their own kind.

Greek enclaves in Italy are surrounded by other peoples who diffuse in through the years. Look at Aframs in the United States. They started out totally African but gradually became more like the surrounding majority (whites) in a relatively short time. What is it, like ~40% white now on average?

Keeping this in mind, "Greek" Italians can't be any more descended from Greek colonists than Pontians or Cypriotes are.

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Originally Posted by Constantine13

Keeping this in mind, "Greek" Italians can't be any more descended from Greek colonists than Pontians or Cypriotes are.

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Then why are they genetically closer to Greeks proper than Pontians and Cypriots are? Although as I demonstrated with recent Dodecad data, they are a lot less Northern European than Greeks and slightly more SW Asian.

Greeks in Sicily and Calabria would have mixed mostly with Phoenicians/Carthaginians, pre-Greek Neolithic groups like Elymians, and Italics. Although as I demonstrated, the Greeks were very adverse to the Italic groups and didn't mix with them and forced them out of their towns and cities.. practically genocided them.

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

Then why are they genetically closer to Greeks proper than Pontians and Cypriots are? Although as I demonstrated with recent Dodecad data, they are a lot less Northern European than Greeks and slightly more SW Asian.

Greeks in Sicily and Calabria would have mixed mostly with Phoenicians/Carthaginians, pre-Greek Neolithic groups like Elymians, and Italics.

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I'm not an expert, but I'd imagine that the Sicilian natives were more similar racially to the Greek colonists than the natives of Pontus/Cyprus were.