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The Real News: Struggle in the Chinese Communist Party
Minqi Li: The division between the pro "free market" forces vs those who want some socialism grows more intense.
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The Real News: Struggle in the Chinese Communist Party
Minqi Li: The division between the pro "free market" forces vs those who want some socialism grows more intense.
This is why we don't need to wage war against China. We just need to wait until democracy worthy of the name comes to there! Just follow our playbook from the Cold War - sit back and wait for the whole edifice to collapse.
Now I don't expect China to collapse in the spectacular way the USSR did. But what I do expect is that well within even the older posters lifetimes, there will be a "color revolution" in China, which brings in a multiparty democracy. All we gotta do is sit back and wait.
Democracy ? China ? What part of Chinese culture is it that you don't understand ? It's a completely alien concept to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil75231
It was an alien concept at one time in Turkey, South Korea, and Latin America at one time. Look at the situation today. Even Russia and Burma are moving toward democracy - admittedly so far an incomplete journey. Why not China?Quote:
Originally Posted by Civis Batavi
It still is an alien concept to them and Turkey's "democracy" is far from perfect. Let alone what is going on down in Latin America. Apart from South Korea and the only thing that will keep that in place is the presence of the U.S Army.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil75231
Actually, S. Korea's democratic revolution happened without our help in the mid to late 80s. Back then, we were just supporting "another right-wing anti-communist dictatorship". Then, the South Koreans rose up in "people power", forced the powers-that-were to buckle under, and allow multiparty elections. I'd say South Korea safely qualifies for that - with or without our presence.
Turkey? I'll admit I probably stretched my case there, though they're certainly on the road toward it, if we assume long run trends.
Latin America, VERY few dictatorships down there now. Take a look at Chile especially. Yeah, there's the usual influence-buying down there. But the worst of the "banana republic" type of stuff is pretty much over in the major countries. 20 yrs ago, the Brazilian senate impeached the president for being as crooked as a barrel of snakes...aided by a threat of people power. So Brazil's moving in the right direction too.
China collapsing? That won't happen before the United Jewish States of America does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil75231
I meant the Communist Party of the People's Republic of China - NOT Chinese civilization in general. This thread is about the party, not the civilization. At any rate, nations collapsed even when there were no Jews to speak of. So the reference to Jews is just gratuitous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malta1066Falzon
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Originally Posted by Phil75231
You compared the Chinese situation with the good ol' Soviet Union and you know well that Russia was in chaos after the collapse of communism,for China it's not about the ideology but it's also part of their culture, cultures cannot collapse.
Go back and read post #2 if you want to get to the real point of my posts. You're confusing me with someone who DOES see China as an exact match for the USSR.
That gives the impression that you do believe China's case is like the USSR.Quote:
Cold War - sit back and wait for the whole edifice to collapse.
Ok fair enough...Quote:
Now I don't expect China to collapse in the spectacular way the USSR did
I don't agree with this part, it wont be a revolution but a slow gradual change.....still though I hardly believe colours will change.Quote:
there will be a "color revolution" in China
Understandable. My motive in saying this is to pre-empt a few-but-vocal "kick China's ass" types - as if that were the only way to deal with China. I was just pre-empting them by giving them an alternate solution on their own terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malta1066Falzon
At this point, I call "even money" between "color revolution" a.k.a. "people power" and gradual change by the establishment (the latter is actually what the UK did throughout the 19th century to avoid revolution - and quite successfully too!). Whether the colors change or not, the substantive result will be the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malta1066Falzon