Christianity has shown itself to consist of nothing more than a bunch of spineless, craven appeasers, happy to bend over backwards to abandon their principles and adopt Muslim ones. It's no accident that more and more people are turning to Paganism.
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Christianity has shown itself to consist of nothing more than a bunch of spineless, craven appeasers, happy to bend over backwards to abandon their principles and adopt Muslim ones. It's no accident that more and more people are turning to Paganism.
Lol paganism has it's share if spineless cowards, and big burly guys who reside at the low end of the Bell curve.
I think so, Christianity failed to defend us from Islam, so we need to try something else.
I'm joking, religion is a personal thing and one belives what one belives, it's our culture and heritage we must uphold to keep those towelheads' influence away.
Not pagan religion per se, which is merely a collection of stories, rites, and rituals, but the pagan mindset that the old tales speak of: bravery, civic duty, devotion to the family, hard work, honesty, loyalty to one's friends, perhaps a certain craftiness ala Odysseus, aggressive warlikeness (i.e. not shirking away from violence), etc.
Christianity has only failed because these lionlike qualities are now lionized in the name of universal brotherhood and divine forgiveness of sins.
Christianity is a religion, how individuals identifying as 'Christian' act is another matter entirely (the most paganish pagan in the world couldn't be more critical of modern Christian leadership than me). How Christians behave exists in a state of flux. If you lived in 16th century Iberia and you weren't an ethnically native Christian then Christianity would probably seem to you to consist of "nothing more" than aggressive bullies and racists. The same goes really for various times and places in Europe's history.
Every religion makes this claim/similar claims.Quote:
It's no accident that more and more people are turning to Paganism.
The pagan mindset is what is needed, not paganism itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Being_a_Pagan
Keep in mind that this book isn't a perfect expression of a purely paganized, post-Christian worldview.
He charts the rise of the modern Pagan movement from its small beginnings in a north London suburb in the late 1940s to today. Or rather ten years ago, when it was published. Using various statistical means he estimates the number of Pagans in the UK as 100,000 and it has certainly got a lot bigger in the last ten years, though I only have anecdotal evidence for that.
The point I was making is that how Christians act can and does change, and so your claim that Christianity has "shown itself" to do this or that holds no water in light of a little historical research. Anyway, I won't post in this thread further because (as is usually the case) one post in and the point I've made has whizzed over your head. Honestly, it's like trying to teach a dog to use a Nintendo.
Maybe you should research history a little bit before you make such utter BS claims. The crusades defended Europe from the Islamic threat multiple times; as well as protecting the sovereignty of some respectable nations from the Turks. Hungary and Austria are great examples.
The knee-jerk reaction that many people have with Christianity is, in many cases, based upon the faulty premise that the dastardly Christians:
1) Follow an alien religion;
2) Came and "stole" pagan heritage;
3) Preach unmanly, unhealthy, and uncivic doctrines, such as a morbid fascination with sin and suffering, etc. as well as the idea that faith trumps things like, say, common sense and reason. Then there's the turn the other cheek teaching, or any other number of tidbits that defy common sense; the good things that Christianity teaches, tolerance of others, or faith in marriage, can be found in other belief systems, and often in a nobler fashion that have little to do with the divine (i.e. Stoicism, Confucianism, and so forth).
The only one I really regard as true is #3.
NO!!! christianity has never been shown to be as such the spineless Euro Christians in places like england and the place you live maybe but there are still Christians in places like Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, the Philipines, and many other places who stand up and fight with all they for there right to maintian there culture and Religion!
these people are not cowards! the fact that they are such small minorities in such hostile muslim majority areas shows they are willing to fight.
Please don't confuse Western political leaders with Christians. They are the ones who are selling us down the river, not the average Christian. Of the Christians I've known, I've never heard any of them speak or act in this way.
Muhammed was not God's prophet, he was the prophet of Satan. "Allah" is the mask that Satan wears as he accepts the false worship of Muslims everywhere. I am an enemy of Islam yesterday, today, and forever. :)
Modern paganism is, by and large, a divided house. Paganism won't be able to resist the barbarians simply because it has no real cohesion. Paganism might be able to fulfill someone's spiritual needs, but it has no sociopolitical power with which to fight the barbarians. A house divided against itself cannot stand, as has been said.
There are many sorry specimens of Christianity, but also many fine specimens of the religion who bemoan the backsliding of their faith into a faith for spineless and self-abasing wretches.
The fact is that the conservative Christians have and most likely will always be our best enclave for defending Europe. Pagans are the minority by far.
again like i said England is not the Christians of the eastern Orthodox, coptics of Egypt, or the Devout Catholic filipinos who are in danger from muslim attacks and fight back often.
i know many strong Christians from all over the americas, north america caribbean south and centeral america, do not clump all christians together with the corruption within the high rankers of the churches in your home land.
problem is many europeans in places like england are not even serious about there religion and atheism is taking over. and the new breed of devout christians are being hijacked by the evangelical nutcases.
If this is so, he's just one of the appeasers who're making things even worse for Christians. Constant appeasement will only embolded the barbarians, who willl only make more and more outrageous demands.
I'm no Christian, yet I distinctly remember Jesus speaking of such religious leaders (he was talking to the Jewish religious leaders) as being whitewashed tombs, full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.
Christian leaders like this want to accept Muslim barbarians as brothers who worship the same God.
More enlightened pagan beliefs, like Stoicism, would regard them as ignorant fools to be either avoided or converted to a more tolerant and right-thinking view of the world; violence would be the last resort, but it shouldn't be avoided. More robust forms of paganism, say Asatru, would simply go out and fight the Muslims if they proved to be too big of a menace.
For nearly all of history Christianity hasn't "shirked away from violence" either. Much of it does not now... This is a rather primitive take on things- that the prevailing mythos somehow has something to do with the current problems, because we are appeasing the wrong gods? Maybe we haven't sacrificed enough virgins to the volcano too??
The fact is Paganism and Christianity share an equally violent history, it's just that they have been emasculated by modern multiculturalism. In fact the PC orthodoxy has replaced the church as the primary distributor of ignorance in the modern world. Complete with heresy charges, inquisitions and the whole lot... This regime is just as stupid, ignorant, and regressive as the church. It impedes more developed understanding of the world, and impedes scientific progress in much the same way as the Church did. It imprisons people who commit modern day heresy (point out passages in the Koran which say it's okay to fck children and beat your wife, openly study racial differences etc). This modern day orthodoxy is holding back the progress of western civilization in much the same way that the Christian orthodoxy did.
Christianity or Paganism wont make a difference if it's some watered down, modernized, PC orthodoxy version of either.
Actually most of those who use the term pagan to describe themselves, at least in my country, also support some form of multicultural agenda. And are even open borderline Marxists, who want to stamp out Heathens such as myself.
Indeed, as it stands now it are mostly a lot of small groups, with some larger groups of still moderate size. With also a more anarchistic nature to a certain degrees.
In terms of existential views of the self, noble forms of paganism have a higher view of the self than Christianity does.
Paganism is bottom-up, viewing the divine and man from the perspective of man himself. Man is the active creator of his own myths and religious values herein, even if he accepts an ultimate source of divine authority.
Christianity is top-down, viewing the divine and man from the perspective of the Deity itself. Man is merely the passive recipient of sacred writ, and largely has no will nor purpose save what God gives to him.
This isn't a complete truism, but one of my main problems with Christianity is that it doesn't really fulfill the needs of anyone with a healthy ego. The psychological damage that can be done from a constant fear of punishment and damnation, for example, or the constant petitioning of God to perform magic tricks on one's behalf.. Well, my view of God is summed up in a statement from Poor Richard's Almanac: God helps those who help themselves.
Amen, brother Ben Franklin.
It depends greatly on what country you're talking about.
The ARchbishop IS fairly representative of English Christianity, of ALL major denominations. They've dwindled to a tiny core of old women and weirdos. I went to a carol service myself a fortnight or so ago, and the vicar was a right inoffensive narrow-shouldered hippy type. He made us sing pathetic crap modern carols that nobody knows and are all about the gayest parts of Christianity. One part was especially cringeworthy; he actually got out a CD player and made us listen to some shit happy-clappy sugar-coated bullshit song. A right rubbish tinny little sound it made in the old stone Norman church. I was disgusted. This vicar covers about twelve or so parishes, to give you an idea of how the Church of England has had to 'cut back' given collapsing attendance and contributions.
In England's case, it's too late for Christianity to save us. There's NO way that this religion would get its act together in time, OR overcome its fractious divisions. And ultimately, the very creed is ineffectual against a more aggressive totalitarian ideology like Islam.
I think New Agery is much more popular and faster-growing than paganism. But then again, it is sometimes hard to draw the line between the two. The trend these days seems to be a loosely-defined self-exploratory spirituality that the individual customizes to his own preference. The days of strict religious dogma is over, I think. Don't put too much faith in a dogmatised sort of paganism/heathenry. It ain't gonna happen in England.