Red Army's barrier troops (anti-retreat forces)

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Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Oh really??? In such case you should've known there were both private property and woman belonging to one man in Communist Russia. Yet you spilling nonsense by repeating common ignorant myths.

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You can cheat ignorants with what you write here. Russia was socialist, it failed before achieving Conmunism. So land and money owners were removed as first step, removing all private property was next step but never materialised because Russia failed and fell. If Russia was successful the 'primitive communist society, was intent to be revived in renewed form and ofc in society like that no private property and women used collectively. Love, marriage, property have no place in true Communist society. And I am not Communist because of blind hate or because I own much money or land, I am not a Commie because simply I think that primitive society never worked like Communists dream.

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Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Idea of hunter-gatherer's primitive societies being Communist in their economic basis is one of the first thesis of Marxism. It's called Primitive Communism, google it.

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Why Karl Marx conveniently forgot about head-hunting primitive communists while he argued primitives are egalitarian? What I mean is that communism persists since primitive hunter-gatherer period untill today, as a form of clandestine conclave among the elites or specific group of people. How come primitves even have economy, sharing is their instinct, their tribalism, war, hunting, sharing are simply instinct.

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Originally Posted by Siyendi

You can cheat ignorants with what you write here. Russia was socialist, it failed before achieving Conmunism. So land and money owners were removed as first step, removing all private property was next step but never materialised because Russia failed and fell. If Russia was successful the 'primitive communist society, was intent to be revived in renewed form and ofc in society like that no private property and women used collectively. Love, marriage, property have no place in true Communist society. And I am not Communist because of blind hate or because I own much money or capital, I am not a Commie because simply I think that primitive society never worked like Communists dream.

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In Communist theory Socialism is Communism in its first stage. So once Socialism was established that means Communism was established and started to progress to further stages.

You are ignorant exactly because you keep bringing up these ideas of elimination of all private property and shared women. But it has nothing to do with Communist science, it was agenda pushed forward by Communist Anarchists like Trotsky but was absolutely rejected by Bolsheviks like Lenin and Stalin. Stalin later killed Trotsky for his nonsense. Pretty basic historical facts yet you keep extrapolating this nonsense on all Communist theory.

Thus I repeat: learn your facts before you speak, fool.

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Originally Posted by Hexachordia

Why Karl Marx conveniently forgot about head-hunting primitive communists while he argued primitives are egalitarian? What I mean is that communism persists since primitive hunter-gatherer period untill today, as a form of clandestine conclave among the elites or specific group of people. How come primitves even have economy, sharing is their instinct, their tribalism, war, hunting, sharing are simply instinct.

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What head-hunting has to do with socio-economic formations? Sure elements of communist organization lived through entire history of humanity in various entities. The problem is since emergence of slavery they have never been as prevalent as during primitive ages.

However your appeal to instincts is incorrect. Our instincts ends with familial ties. Any form of relationships above family structure is based on human cognitive ability to share food (resources) with non-related individuals. It was learned during Neolithic revolution and goes beyond instincts.

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Originally Posted by Fantomas

In reality, Germans promoted campaign of agitation to attract Russians.

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It happened too late. Some years ago i read nazi documents about treatment of russian prisoners/personel/population, "respectable attitude" was insured only from 1943-1944.
At the start of war Soviet Union had around 4m soldiers in European part. Soldiers had very poor morale and had no desire to fight for soviets, especially after disatrous war with Finland. Large part of army did not have access to lethal equipment because soviets did not trust them. By the time germans reached Moscow above 3 millions soviet soldiers surrended themselves to germans. So figure:rolleyes:
Moscow was defended by combat proven and reliable troops from Siberia and Far East, who had real battle experience and will to fight.

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Originally Posted by Sarmatian

In Communist theory Socialism is Communism in its first stage. So once Socialism was established that means Communism was established and started to progress to further stages.

You are ignorant exactly because you keep bringing up these ideas of elimination of all private property and shared women. But it has nothing to do with Communist science, it was agenda pushed forward by Communist Anarchists like Trotsky but was absolutely rejected by Bolsheviks like Lenin and Stalin. Stalin later killed Trotsky for his nonsense. Pretty basic historical facts yet you keep extrapolating this nonsense on all Communist theory.

Thus I repeat: learn your facts before you speak, fool.

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Revisionism. Anarchists or Trotsky just suggested to use different methods than Stalin but the 'hunter-gatherer society revival, was their ultimate dream like Stalin. Stalin just believed a strong Soviet state was needed to achieve this when Trotsky was more romantic. Same sh!t different smell. Dont try to fool Man.

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Originally Posted by Sarmatian

What head-hunting has to do with socio-economic formations? Sure elements of communist organization lived through entire history of humanity in various entities. The problem is since emergence of slavery they have never been as prevalent as during primitive ages.

However your appeal to instincts is incorrect. Our instincts ends with familial ties. Any form of relationships above family structure is based on human cognitive ability to share food (resources) with non-related individuals. It was learned during Neolithic revolution and goes beyond instincts.

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Egalitarianism within primitive hunter gatherer is so ludicrous, :picard1: Karl Marx might be laughing at his own thesis. Hunter gatherers are known to practice animal and human sacrifices, also all kinds of primeval cruelties in warfare. I do think that communism is a primeval malice within civilization, I have to agree with Marx that communism comes from hunter gatherers, but not that communism is a primitive economic trait. Primitive economy is nothing more than the impulse for survival, their instinct told them to exploit man-power, tools to survive. Marx used egalitarian as an economic term not cultural, he imposed his own image on the primitives just like he did on the workers and peasants.

Communism does not just persist as an integral element of society, but as either subversive or dictating systems among illicit societies just like the novel "Beciy" describes.

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Originally Posted by Siyendi

Russia was socialist, it failed before achieving Conmunism.

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Russia didn't 'fail', the Soviet Union was destroyed by Yeltsin, a right-wing nationalist who wanted to introduce private enterprise to fulfil his greed.

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In Communist theory Socialism is Communism in its first stage. So once Socialism was established that means Communism was established and started to progress to further stages.

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Communism is the theoretical classless, moneyless, stateless society. Socialism is considered to be the period when a society is trying to transition towards communism. Communism, being stateless, moneyless, and classless, cannot exist in one country alone.It would be destroyed almost immediately. I think for communism to exist all countries need to be socialist first. Russia wasn't even close to communism and yet the rest of the world was trying to bring it down.

Shortly what is Communist about? This is for saying to people Look your ancestors were monkeys who lived in a society where there was no private property, no such thing as love or having a wife. They were animals who lived in dirt and sh!t and who shared everything including women. So, there is nothing noble about you and nothing which separates you from monkey and we will remove the mistakes of humanity since feaudal society (later capitalism) appears and we will return to the lifestyle of your ancestors..
This is what Communism is about the rest is propaganda like workers rights proleters, equality problems etc.

K vs R selection in military tactics....Nazi vs USSR