Македонизма=Молдовенизм

[ЛыSSый]

Moldavia and Makedonia were a root lands (source lands of theirs culture) of romania and bulgaria. So, bulgarian and romanian seperatists must be added to its as colonies (returned back to motherlands?).

[Voskos]

Moldavia and Makedonia were a root lands (source lands of theirs culture) of romania and bulgaria. So, bulgarian and romanian seperatists must be added to its as colonies (returned back to motherlands?).

Some say the original Slavs that colonized Bulgaria and to a lesser extent Greek Macedonia and Epirus spread from modern FYROM territory, so if that's true that would mean they're among the purest slavs in the southern part of the balkans.

[poiuytrewq0987]

I do not pretend to be a psychiatrist, but I guess this is partly "the case" in case of most Macedonians.

Your present ethnic identity is created on a basis of being closely related to Ancient Macedonians; (which most likely people perceive as something noble) and Slavic tribes. Even though it is not exactly the truth, this theory is quite appealing. Don't you think? Than, some neighbouring nation braggs about you, being so closely related to them, while at the same time you were told that members of this nation are related to Tatars and Chuvash people. I believe this creates unusual dissonance in your imagination. I believe that's why it is easier for you to remain under Serbian influence, despite their transparently similar bugari-tatari propaganda.

As I've stated earlier. I can understand this scheme but as an adults you should be able to do the math yourselves and drop wishful thinking.

One of the more sensible posts I've read in a while. up

[MegaArgus1]

Some say the original Slavs that colonized Bulgaria and to a lesser extent Greek Macedonia and Epirus spread from modern FYROM territory, so if that's true that would mean they're among the purest slavs in the southern part of the balkans.

The issue with Bulgarians is that the spread of the Bulgars on the Balkans not the spread of the Slavs.

[poiuytrewq0987]

The issue with Bulgarians is that the spread of the Bulgars on the Balkans not the spread of the Slavs.

Hey, bright guy. The Bulgars have not existed apart the Slavs for the longest time since they disappeared as people in the 13th century entirely. Furthermore, we should have nothing but respect for the Bulgars because, without them, we would have been Hellenized eventually. The Bulgars helped liberate us from the Byzantine oppression and allowed us to preserve our Slavic character for a while longer. 1,300 years in total, in fact.

In the Balkans they merged with the Slavs and other autochthonous Romance and Greek speaking population, like the Thracians and Vlachs, becoming a political and military elite. However, the influence of the pre-Slavic population had relatively little influence on the Slavs and Bulgars, indicating their population was reduced in previous centuries. The hinterlands of the Byzantine territory were for years occupied by many groups of Slavs. According to Theophanes, the Bulgars subjugated the so-called Seven Slavic tribes, of which the

Severeis were re-settled from the pass of Beregaba or Veregava, most likely the Rish Pass of the Balkan Mountains, to the East, while the other six tribes to the Southern and Western regions as far the boundary with the Pannonian Avars. Scholars consider that the absence of any source recording the Slavic resistance to the invasion was because it was in their interest to be liberated from the Byzantine taxation.It is considered that the Slavic tribal organization was left intact, and paid tribute to the ruling Bulgars.

There is also evidence that the Bulgars were rapidly assimilated to adapt to the Slavic lifestyle, or that their lifestyle was not that much different from the Slavs.

When the Bulgars arrived in the Balkan their first generations probably still lived a nomadic life in yurts, but they quickly adopted the sunken-featured building of rectangular plan and sedentary or seasonal lifestyle of the Slavs and autochthonous population. The Bulgar and Slavic settlements cannot be distinguished other than by the type of biritual cemeteries.

Ultimately, we became Bulgarians because the name had become a unifying cultural, ethnic, and historical identity since Boris made the decision to unify Bulgars and Slavs by Christianizing the Bulgarian Empire. You Macedonists are the first Bulgarians to have turned our name into something bad when it was a highly feared and respected name. You dishonor us daily. A consequence of our failures against foreign intrigues, yes, but you should know better than to do us a disservice.

[Murri]

I heard many central fyromians descend from Albanians and Vlachs, there was an Orthodox Albanian community up to the 19th century but it seems they got assimiliated, taking this for basis and the impact of Greek genetics in the south around Gevgelia what % of Fyromians can trace their origin to the original Slavs who sacked northern Macedonia?

[poiuytrewq0987]

I heard many central fyromians descend from Albanians and Vlachs, there was an Orthodox Albanian community up to the 19th century but it seems they got assimiliated, taking this for basis and the impact of Greek genetics in the south around Gevgelia what % of Fyromians can trace their origin to the original Slavs who sacked northern Macedonia?

Pulevski, one of the heroes of the Macedonists, possibly descends from an Albanian family in north Albania. Obviously were Slavicized, or rather, Bulgarianized.

[poiuytrewq0987]

The issue with Bulgarians is that the spread of the Bulgars on the Balkans not the spread of the Slavs.

And there is this:

This mixed population, speaking most probably Slavic, was prepared for an expansion to the south-west, as shown by isolated finds of Penkovka pottery in early Byzantine forts. Forced soon after that to leave in its entirety its Dnepr settlements, most probably as a result of the expansion of the Khazars, it was content to find itself under the control of the group of Asparukh, looking for assurances of its safety. Asparukh had probably brought (or swept along) much more Indo-European than Turkic speakers, and that is why the Türks proper had easily lost their language in such an environment. The Turkic tradition, chiefly in its spiritual forms, military-administrative structures, names and titles was preserved by the ruling elite, who occupied predominantly the Pliska plain. A massive presence of proper Slavic and Slavicised Iranian population can more convincingly explain some widely known by unconvincingly interpreted so far facts of the early stage of the Bulgarian culture:

1. The ubiquitous Slavic toponymy of the central region of the Bulgarian state;
2. The Slavic names of the capitals Pliska and Preslav;
3. The few Turkic remains in the Bulgarian language;
4. The non-conflicting bi-rituality of the Bulgarian burials of the VIII-IX c. AD;
5. The rapid consolidation of the Bulgarian ethnos which was a reality long before 865 AD and which was only formally legitimised by the adoption of Christianity.
Under such a perspective, the question about the origin of the “Proto-Bulgarians” (?) provides new opportunities to overcome the stereotypes enforced upon the Bulgarian historical studies between the two world wars, some of which live until the present day.

[Murri]

Pulevski, one of the heroes of the Macedonists, possibly descends from an Albanian family in north Albania. Obviously were Slavicized, or rather, Bulgarianized.

Could be, Pulaj is a well used albanian surname, descends from the words Pula meaning chicken, in the northern Dukagjin region they use surnames based on nature such as animal or fruit based surnames(Apple, Nut, Cat, Bull etc)


Could also be of Greek origin, descending from the word Polis(City) as I think some Fyromians have Greek Sarakatsanian or Greek in general origins going back to the Byzantine times

[poiuytrewq0987]

Could be, Pulaj is a well used albanian surname, descends from the words Pula meaning chicken, in the northern Dukagjin region they use surnames based on nature such as animal or fruit based surnames(Apple, Nut, Cat, Bull etc)

Could also be of Greek origin, descending from the word Polis(City) as I think some Fyromians have Greek Sarakatsanian or Greek in general origins going back to the Byzantine times

Yeah, there's no doubt that many Albanians and Greeks were assimilated into the Bulgarian ethnos with some as recent as the 19th or 20th century and some going back centuries.