Saudi nuclear weapons 'on order' from Pakistan

[daedal1]

I dont knwo where to begin. Over the fact that you think Pakistani people are product of Arabization or the fact that you take pride in knowing that pakistani labor workers are treated like shit in the middle east?

Sky Earth is correct, even indian elites admit that there would have been a civil war in the subcontinent had it not been for partition:

http://articles.economictimes.indiat...-muslim-league

And the social situation with arabs and pakis is different than with turks, turks eventually ruled over arabs, as did mongols, hence you saw muslims like tamerlane who felt that they could do whatever they wanted to arabs, whereas pakis were mainly just ruled by foreign arab, turk, mongol/mughal invaders, they were always in a servile position.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

It's pretty easy to maintain once it's set up. Delivery is very hard across continents but as a defensive weapon it's literally the bomb. One nuke means you can't really invade a country without risking losing a whole division or more.

[Arcadefire]

Point being , while the Ottoman empire did rule over the Arabs, they still bowed down to the Arabic lifestyle. If they had culturally dominated over the arabs, then the middle east would no longer have been the centre of the universe for the muslims.

[daedal1]

Point being , while the Ottoman empire did rule over the Arabs, they still bowed down to the Arabic lifestyle. If they had culturally dominated over the arabs, then the middle east would no longer have been the centre of the universe for the muslims.

The Turks politically and socially dominated the arabs, culturally, the Ottomans had as much persian influences as it did arabic influences.

[Arcadefire]

I dont think you get what I am saying. If the Turks did culturally dominate the Arabs, they would not have been praying to Allah in Arabic would they? Every one in themiddle east and Africa acknowledges that Islam is the product of the Arab world.

[daedal1]

I dont think you get what I am saying. If the Turks did culturally dominate the Arabs, they would not have been praying to Allah in Arabic would they? Every one in themiddle east and Africa acknowledges that Islam is the product of the Arab world.

So? The Turks adopted Islam, that doesn't make them arabs. Christianity isn't completely european either.

Timur defied the arabs without hesitation and he even admired pagan mongols more than arabs:

"Timur's Turco-Mongolian heritage provided opportunities and challenges as he sought to rule the Mongol Empire and the Muslim world. According to the Mongol traditions, Timur could not claim the title of khan or rule the Mongol Empire because he was not a descendant of Genghis Khan. Therefore, Timur set up a puppet Chaghatay khan, Suyurghatmish, as the nominal ruler of Balkh as he pretended to act as a "protector of the member of a Chinggisid line, that of Chinggis Khan's eldest son, Jochi."[50]
As a result, Timur never used the title of khan because the name khan could only be used by those who come from the same lineage as Genghis Khan himself. Timur instead used the title of amir meaning general, and acting in the name of the Chagatai ruler of Transoxania.[51]
To reinforce his position in the Mongol Empire, Timur managed to acquire the royal title of son-in-law when he married a princess of Chinggisid descent.[52]
Likewise, Tamerlane could not claim the supreme title of the Islamic world, caliph, because the “office was limited to the Quraysh, the tribe of the Prophet Muhammad.”[53] Therefore, Tamerlane reacted to the challenge by creating a myth and image of himself as a “supernatural personal power””[53] ordained by God. Since Tamerlane had a successful career as a conqueror, it was easy to justify his rule as ordained and favored by God since no ordinary man could be a possessor of such good fortune that resistance would be seen as opposing the will of Allah. Moreover, the Islamic notion that military and political success was the result of Allah’s favor had long been successfully exploited by earlier rulers. Therefore, Tamerlane’s assertions would not have seemed unbelievable to his fellow Islamic people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur

[Sky earth]

I dont knwo where to begin. Over the fact that you think Pakistani people are product of Arabization or the fact that you take pride in knowing that pakistani labor workers are treated like shit in the middle east?

In either case:
a. Pakistan was not created because of muslims forcing their culture on south asians you moron! lol Pakistan was created for political reasons. Separating the muslims from the rest of India after partion circa 1945 because at the time they felt that the Sikhs and Hindus would slaughter them. This was obviously not the case as there are MORE muslims in India than there are in Pakistan. While they are muslims, their culture is no different than people from north west India.

b. Lol "Many pakistanis consider Arabs as allahs chosen people" . This is news to me. But then, I am not a muslim so I cant really comment on it. Every thing in islam favours the Arabs and their culture. So in theory, you a TURK as well as your forefathers who had to convert or get killed, would be in the same boat as the Pakistani people. Do you look towards the mecca (Arabia) when you pray? So you also say your prayers in arabic?

I dont take pride in it how Pakistanis are treated in Saudi Arabia or UAE. I said that it's SAD how you are treated by many Arabs. Pakistan IS a product of Islamization of South Asian Hindus. All historians will agree with that. What is a Pakistani? Punjabis, Afghans, Kashmiris, Sindhis and Beluchis whose identity is based on Islam.

According to Pakistan Studies curriculum, Muhammad bin Qasim is often referred to as the first Pakistani.[9] Muhammad Ali Jinnah also acclaimed the Pakistan movement to have started when the first Muslim put a foot in the Gateway of Islam.[1

Your ancestors were probably Hindus who were forecibly converted by Muslim invaders like Muhammed bin Qasim, Mahmud Ghaznawi, Muhammed of Ghor or Aurangzeb. Many were also converted by Sufis but the destruction and jihad of Hindus created modern Pakistan. That's also the reason why Paksitanis and Indians hate each other. The Indians see you as weak traitors who gave up their real Hindu culture and adopted the culture and religion of brutal invaders while many Pakistanis see Indians as infidel Hindus who will burn in hell. Islam was political oppurtinism for the Oghuz Turks. The Gokturks and the Turgesh Khanate fought against the Arabs but we didn't convert in that time: Most Turkmens were converted peacefully by Persian Sufis in the 10th century while Pakistanis were mainly converted to Islam by Arab, Turkic and Afghan invaders.

Sorry but it's world wide known that Pakistanis lick the ass of Arabs just because the prophet was an Arab and because Islam originated in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2013/10/SAUDI05.png

This must be a classical example of Stockholm syndrome on a national level if we consider the fact how you are treated by Saudis.

[StonyArabia]

^ Saudi Arabia never existed, since it was Arabia, that's where Islam originated. Saudi Arabia is a modern development and named after the ruling clan of Saud which belongs to the Anizah.That said the Arabs never made an impact upon India, and people like Shah-Jehan who are of Indian origins will tell you this. Like many regions it came via trade as well.

[Sky earth]

^ It was your Turkic ancestors who did not mine.

Not only Turkic peoples converted the Pakistanis to Islam. The first Muslim invader was an Umayyad Arab general and his conquest of Sindh and Punjabi enabled Further Islamic expansion into South Asia. Persian Muslims played also a major role in the Islamization of Pakistanis as aristocrats and scholars. The Lingua Franca of the "Turkic" Ghaznavid and Mughal empire was Persian. There is no Turkic presence in South Asia because all of them were completely Persianized

Arabs as religious scholars, Persians as major aristocrats and Turkics as rulers.

These three groups created Pakistan and Pakistanis

[daedal1]

^ Saudi Arabia never existed, since it was Arabia, that's where Islam originated. Saudi Arabia is a modern development and named after the ruling clan of Saud which belongs to the Anizah.That said the Arabs never made an impact upon India, and people like Shah-Jehan who are of Indian origins will tell you this. Like many regions it came via trade as well.

The impact of trade had as much limited impact as it did in China with the Huis. It was the Mongols/Mughals and Turks who are responsible for the bulk of the conversions, which occurred under their rule.