What % of today''s "Greeks" are Ancient Greek?

[Hoca]

There seem to be a lot of confusion amongst today's Greeks and what they are. Some Greeks say they are Ancient Greek and some Greeks say they are Roman and heir to Byzantine Empire. They can't be all at once and at the same time.

The Romans from Rome conquered ANCIENT Greeks who achieved a lot in a lot of fields and incorperated their knowledge and culture into the body of the Roman Empire. All adult men in Ancient Greece were killed and all females inseminated by Roman soldiers since rape war inherent part of war back then. It is true that Rome got influenced by Greek culture who in return got it from the older Middle-eastern Ancient civilizations.

Also some Greeks claim Ancient Anatolian peoples such as Hittite, Trojans, Lydian and others as their own. So it seems today's Greeks are very confused. The truth is probably that Greeks got influenced by the former mentioned but that doesn't mean that those peoples were Greek. They were much older civilization and achieved much more in all fields of sciences. That the Romans got influenced by ANCIENT Greeks (not today's so-called Greeks) doesn't make Romans Greek either.

First of all we should question what % of today's so-called Greeks are really related to the once so great Ancient Greeks. Some Greeks on this forum say they are pure but is this possible after so many invasions? Most of today's Greeks are just assimilated Albanians, Gypsies, Slav and baptized Turks from Anatolia. How can we know this? In Ottoman Greece only 40% identified as "Greek" the remaining were various minorities who were indoctrinated by Greek state and schools after their independence from Ottoman Empire. Also there were numerous other invasions such as the Crusaders who raped everything with two legs and others such as the Huns, Bulgars and others. So the question remains. What is a Greek?

[Loki]

You love Greeks, don't you?

[Hoca]

You love Greeks, don't you?

I opened this thread after discussion with some Greeks about this topic.

I think Greeks are 3-5% Ancient Greek so I'm going to vote 4%.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

I am no expert but seeing statues of ancient greeks and some modern greeks (like the leader of golden dawn who loooks part black) we can consider that it does not concern the majority of people.
Question ??
What's the % of ethnic greeks that have greek noses ? ^^

[gregorius]

where is the 100% option? This is facism, you are censoring opinions.

[Peyrol]

Around 70-75% i think. There are even many descendents of converted turks (it seems that many greeks have surnames which ends in -oglu), arvanites and venetians (a very important element in Ionian Islands)

[Hoca]

Around 70-75% i think. There are even many descendents of converted turks (it seems that many greeks have surnames which ends in -oglu), arvanites and venetians (a very important element in Ionian Islands)

After centuries of rule of Romans, centuries of rule of Ottomans and pillages, raids and rapes from Crusaders, Bulgarians and others they are 70% Ancient Greek? Not to mention all the converted Gypsies, Albanians, Slavs and others. Most of what is Greece today didn't call himself "Greek" before the independence from Ottoman Empire. It took centuries to form the neo-so-called Greek identity. It still hasn't set that firm since most of its population doesn't love their country to pay tax.

[Stimpy]

If you wonder how many percent of Greeks that have some kind of very distant Ancient Greek ancestry I would say maybe 90% but then again rest of Europe probably has an average of like 40% of the people. If you're asking about how much Ancient greek genetics the average greek today has in them I would guess only 1-5%

[Hellenas]

Assholes, Morons, you filthy barbarian animals, get that to your fucking faces:

THE DNA OF THE INHABITANTS OF GREECE
(by Aristotle University of Thessaloniki):

"Τhe DNA of the Greeks has the following origin: 8% in recent years (about 3,000 years from now), 20% during the Neolithic period (9000-3000), 44% in the last upper Paleolithic era ( 14500-9000), 14.5% on average over the Paleolithic era (26,000 to 14,500 years) and a 11% in the original upper Paleolithic era (45.500 -26.000)."

THE GREEK DNA HAS NOT CHANGED OVER THE LAST 3,000 YEARS. GREEKS ARE GREEKS ACCORDING TO MODERN SCIENCE OF GENETICS.

http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thre...bitants-greece

Go to hell now.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

lol @ hellenas. Modern greek is closer to jews than ancient greeks. Unless you can disprove some tiny fraction of who Hoca says wrong then STFU with this nonsense. There's endless list of other historic reasons we know there's not total genetic continuity.

Even Ireland is not fully continuous for 3000 years, certainly not even 50%, and they are more continuous that just about anyone in europe.

TThe Romans from Rome conquered ANCIENT Greeks who achieved a lot in a lot of fields and incorperated their knowledge and culture into the body of the Roman Empire. All adult men in Ancient Greece were killed and all females inseminated by Roman soldiers since rape war inherent part of war back then. It is true that Rome got influenced by Greek culture who in return got it from the older Middle-eastern Ancient civilizations.

The Athenians had an ethnogenesis from raping the ancient greek women who were already by athens, which is in their own histories.

Also some Greeks claim Ancient Anatolian peoples such as Hittite, Trojans, Lydian and others as their own. So it seems today's Greeks are very confused. The truth is probably that Greeks got influenced by the former mentioned but that doesn't mean that those peoples were Greek. They were much older civilization and achieved much more in all fields of sciences.

Probably they were semitic tribes + anatolian remnants of the bronze age collapse who conquered greece and killed the men and raped the women. The Spartans didn't mix in with the people they conquered, and it's not certain when they came to Sparta, whether they were pre bronze age collapse or what. But they are totally gone now so far as anyone can tell.

So the question remains. What is a Greek?

It's a good question, but I am not sure you can sort it out for sure except to say there's been a whole lot of mixing. Lebanese christians today might be more greek than greece is, for example.

Athenian group is still around but I am not sure how much they count as being ancient greek. They were really everyone else's bitches through history, with their only power coming through numbers. The others are basically gone but I'm sure there's remnants here and there.