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    13,800-17.075 thousands year old Afontova-Gora-2 specimens'(not Mal'ta) Y-DNA was sequenced by YFull and it turned to be R1a1a!

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    P159
    M3716
    M3720
    M3696
    P160
    M3678
    Y1827
    M3636
    M3747
    M3772

    P
    M1186
    M1232
    Y492
    L781
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    Y1611
    M1256
    M1264
    M1252
    PF5971
    M1189

    R
    Y369

    R1
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    Y101

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    PAGE7
    M752
    M761
    M810
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artek View Post
    13,800-17.075 thousands year old Afontova-Gora-2 specimens'(not Mal'ta) Y-DNA was sequenced by YFull and it turned to be R1a1a!

    F
    P159
    M3716
    M3720
    M3696
    P160
    M3678
    Y1827
    M3636
    M3747
    M3772

    P
    M1186
    M1232
    Y492
    L781
    Y1796
    Y1611
    M1256
    M1264
    M1252
    PF5971
    M1189

    R
    Y369

    R1
    PF6525
    Y101

    R1a1a
    M609
    Y1429
    CTS11148
    PAGE7
    M752
    M761
    M810
    This is amazing news can you please give a source to verify it. If this is true it completely rewrites the story of Y DNA R1a and maybe R1 as a whole. A Origin in Siberia would probably mean that its from descendants of Mal'ta's people. All the evidence seems to say R1a1a1 M417 spread from Ukraine-Russia with many Indo European languages and it may have originated there 8,000 years ago. A Palaeolithic sample from Siberia would mean R1a1a M17 could have been brought to east Europe from Siberia. Possibly the reason a Siberian origin hasn't been theorized is because the original R1a1a of Siberia disappeared. If there is still some Palaeolithic descended R1a1a in Siberia. I wonder if the reason it has not been found is Siberia has not been sampled enough and there is unique lineages of R1a1a M17.

    This is direct evidence of inter marriage between Mal'ta like people and Europeans maybe sometime from 8,000-17,000 years ago. Now many people in Europe and Asia because of the spread of R1a1a mainly with Indo Europeans. This could explain Amerindian like admixture in Europe and other laces I keep hearing about.
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    That truly is pretty amazing news if it is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artek View Post
    13,800-17.075 thousands year old Afontova-Gora-2 specimens'(not Mal'ta) Y-DNA was sequenced by YFull and it turned to be R1a1a!

    F
    P159
    M3716
    M3720
    M3696
    P160
    M3678
    Y1827
    M3636
    M3747
    M3772

    P
    M1186
    M1232
    Y492
    L781
    Y1796
    Y1611
    M1256
    M1264
    M1252
    PF5971
    M1189

    R
    Y369

    R1
    PF6525
    Y101

    R1a1a
    M609
    Y1429
    CTS11148
    PAGE7
    M752
    M761
    M810
    Wow interesting.

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    Ma'lta's R1 was the precursor to most R1a1a found in Asia, and Turkic R1a might not be IE in origin but always been in Siberia?

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    Almost all western siberian populatian has R1a. Altaians, tuvans, khakas etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxman View Post
    That truly is pretty amazing news if it is correct.
    I really hope he isn't just playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visitor_22 View Post
    Almost all western siberian populatian has R1a. Altaians, tuvans, khakas etc.
    Your right. But we know through ancient DNA that Indo European cultures that existed there from iron-bronze age had vast majority Y DNA R1a1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogatyr View Post
    Ma'lta's R1 was the precursor to most R1a1a found in Asia, and Turkic R1a might not be IE in origin but always been in Siberia?
    Mal'ta didn't have R1!! I think it is definitely possible that R1a1a originated in Siberia and probably descended of ancient R people like Mal''ta. Who knows maybe Y DNA R originated in Siberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired View Post
    I really hope he isn't just playing.
    It's a direct info from Vladimir Semargl, guy known for being a leader of many y-dna projects and a founder of site semargl.me . There should be some official news in days.
    I have a reasons to trust him
    R1a-Z282>Z280>CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y3226>YP5224>BY27800
    N1c-L1026>CTS10760>VL29>Z4908>L550>L1025>M2783>Y5580>L591>BY158>Y5576
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