Marina Kim: Called a hooker. Labelled a spy. My experience of Britain’s hidden racism against Easter

[PowerControls]

My point was, every European who visits Estonia, Poland and Russia agrees with me. The differences in wealth and such are visible. I just brought out that one member of this forum disagreed with me and thought that my posts are nationalistic BS, but after being to this side of Europe, he had to confess that I was completely right.

This "Poland high GDP fuck yeah!" might look good on paper, but the reality is that Poles are leaving Poland en masse and Poland looks quite poor, even compared to well-off former East Bloc countries like Estonia (the most well-off, but still).

"...every European who visits Estonia, Poland and Russia agrees with me" - read this again aloud. Doesn't it sound ridiculously to you? Did you speak to every European who visited Estonia, Poland and Russia? Who are these people? What regions/cities they have visited in each country? What they have seen there exactly? And so on... Apart from that, it's quite odd to draw such conclusions based on some subjective opinions of a couple of random individuals you met.

If you want to prove something here please back up your claims with some objective data rather than opinions of God-knows-who. If you don't like GDP, there are many other indexes, rankings etc. comparing wealth, quality-of-life and stuff. Show me something proving that gap between Estonia and Poland, Russia, then I will shut up and admit you are right.

And no, Poles don't leave Poland en masse. Poland is just much bigger than Estonia - 4,5% of the Estonian labour force working in other countries means ~25 000 people. In case of Poland it's 30 times more. That's why you might have this wrong impression. As a matter of fact , emmigration from Poland is bigger than from Estonia, but it's a different story. Unless 60 euros bigger monthly average wage makes a difference.

[Äike]

"...every European who visits Estonia, Poland and Russia agrees with me" - read this again aloud. Doesn't it sound ridiculously to you?

No, as the differences are so obvious even to the dullest person. Besides, against what are you arguing? Estonia is richer than Poland and Poland is richer than Russia.

[bella1407]

"Marina Kim" is a typical Russian name for sure

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Wait she's claiming those things are not true?

[Swearengen]

If this country, that I love deeply, has had enough, then leave the EU, close the borders, restrict the visas and don't hand out benefits. But why punish people who are already here trying to build a better life for themselves.

So basically now that she's in, go ahead and close the borders. And don't treat her as an outsider because... she isn't going to leave anyway. She sounds more than a little self-involved.

I'm eastern european, but I have no sympathy for easterners in western nations whining about this. You have to take the bad with the good. And if the cons outweigh the pros, go home.

[PowerControls]

No, as the differences are so obvious even to the dullest person. Besides, against what are you arguing? Estonia is richer than Poland and Poland is richer than Russia.

Define "richer" and show me some numbers, stats, whatever proving your point.

Poland does not look visibly less wealthier than Estonia because the differences between these 2 countries are minimal in this regard. The same applies to e.g. Czech Republic (richer) and Hungary (slighty poorer). None of these look better/worse than Poland or Estonia. Otherwise, according to your "theory" there should be significant differences "in appearance" between Czech Republic and Estonia. Are there any? Does the Czech Republic look visibly wealthier than Estonia?

That is what I am arguing about.

[Äike]

Define "richer" and show me some numbers, stats, whatever proving your point.

Poland does not look visibly less wealthier than Estonia because the differences between these 2 countries are minimal in this regard. The same applies to e.g. Czech Republic (richer) and Hungary (slighty poorer). None of these look better/worse than Poland or Estonia. Otherwise, according to your "theory" there should be significant differences "in appearance" between Czech Republic and Estonia. Are there any? Does the Czech Republic look visibly wealthier than Estonia?

That is what I am arguing about.

Hungary still has some Soviet buses, while in Estonia we have new buses everywhere. That's one contrast between a "poorer look" and a "wealthier" one.

But Poland? There are so many examples.

[Äike]

So basically now that she's in, go ahead and close the borders. And don't treat her as an outsider because... she isn't going to leave anyway. She sounds more than a little self-involved.

I'm eastern european, but I have no sympathy for easterners in western nations whining about this. You have to take the bad with the good. And if the cons outweigh the pros, go home.

The point of the article is that Muslims and all the 3rd worlders aren't discriminated against as it's not "politically correct", thus your people, Eastern-Europeans, are the next "target" when talking about discrimination and bias by the natives. As it's "ok" to discriminate white people.

[Szegedist]

Hungary still has some Soviet buses,

We didnt use Soviet buses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikarus_Bus

[Loki]

I find it surprising that the Brits think that the Russians are "rich Eastern-Europeans". The Russians are one of the poorest Eastern-Europeans, even the Poles are considerably wealthier than them. The poverty seen in Russia cannot be compared to Poland.

It is true, Russians are considered to be upper-class Slavs over here.