Marriage between different Europids?

[Kadu]

Actually insofar as Dinarisation is a process, it should be expected in mountainous and pre-mountainous regions that bode nicely for the animal stock of the decendants of ancient herding populations like those of Dalarna.

I know it's a process but i thought it was implicit in Anthropos post that they are dark pigmented too.
But actually "Dinarics" are common in coastal zones here though.

[Grey]

If Dinaricisation is a process then can there be a Dinarid subrace, or only Dinaricised subraces?

[SuuT]

If Dinaricisation is a process then can there be a Dinarid subrace, or only Dinaricised subraces?

Kick ass question. Personally, I think it's all process; however, some processess have stabilised more than others. I'm sure others have other opinions.

[Crimson Guard]

Well, we are all products of such unions,lol. How the heck can one be mirco-racist enough to pretend phenotype mixing hasnt occurred or to somehow create a segregation of the phenotypes?! I would say they're clinically insane then if thats the case with some people. Europe is a quagmire of variation and has been since the dawn of time. Many types in Europe are actually a product of hybridization between two or more Phenotypes, plus we need to take into account the effects of environmental adaptation ect.

The "North-Atlantid" itself btw is a composite type in nature, a mingling of Mediterranean and Nordic:

So is the North-Atlantid subrace (the North-Occidental race of Deniker), which is like the primary type, but has much darker hair. Above all in the oceanic parts of Great Britain the North-Atlantid subrace is also very high in blood type gene r and low in blood type gene p.--(Bertil Lundman)

The Spanish Basques belong predominantly to a Mediterranean subrace, which is also rather closely related to the North-Atlantid subrace of the Nordid race.(Bertil Lundman)

http://carnby.altervista.org/lundrac...man-races2.htm


Races: A study of the problems of race formation in man (1950; with Garn and Birdsell):

4.Northwest European--Most of Scandinavia, much of the British Isles, Northern France, the Benelux countries, and northwest Germany is inhabited by a population characterized by medium to tall stature, medium build, brown hair, mixed or blue eyes, light skin, straight to wavy hair of moderate abundance, and facial features intermediate between the fine chiselling of the Nordic or Mediterranean and the broader, fleshier Alpine (Plate 2). As types in this population one finds Nordics, Mediterraneans, and stocky, large-headed, broad-faced, often hairy individuals who may have such paleanthropic characters as large teeth and heavy brow ridges. This third type apparently recapitulates in some degree the pre-agricultural population of this region. Western Irish, Scots, Norwegians from the central coast, Swedes from new Goteberg, and certain other local groups deviate srongly in the direction of this type.

The northwest European race is also found as the characteristic form of the major breeding unit in the United States and Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and white South Africa. The white American mean falls so close to it that no further designation is needed. [p.120]

Although [the Nordic] is common as a type, few populations in Europe or elsewhere can be called Nordic in the strict sense. Most which other authors have called Nordic fall into our Northwest European category. [pp. 129-131]

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Coon did away with the Upper Paleolithic types of 1939 and adapted Deniker's scheme and also Hooton's.

From TROE Glossary:

NORTHWESTERN. A name given by Deniker to a blue-eyed dark-haired racial element in Ireland, which he considered to be a segment of the Atlanto-Mediterranean race. See p. 283.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape...1759941/1/#new

5.Dark, mesocephalic, tall race, Littoral or Atlanto-Mediterranean race, so styles because it is found in a pure or mixed state along the shores of the Mediterranean from Gibraltar to mouth of the Tibur, and on several points of the Atlantic coast, from the straits of Gibraltar to the mouth of the Guadalquivair, on the Bay of Biscay, in the lower valley of the Loire, ect. It is not met with anywhere at a greater distance that 120 or 150 miles from the sea. This Littoral race is still little studied; it is distinguished by its moderate dolichocephaly or mesocephaly (ceph. ind. on living subjects 79 to 80), by its stature above the average (im. 66), and very deep colouring of the hair and eyes. It corresponds pretty well with the "Mediterranean race" of Houze, and with the Cro-Magnon race of certain authors. It is probably with the Littoral race that we must connect a secondary so-called North-Western race, tall, sub-dolichocephalic, with chestnut hair, often almost brown. It found chiefly in a the north-west of Ireland(Fig. 93), in Wales(Fig. 19) and the east of Belgium.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape.../945429/1/#new

[Angantyr]

Barring personality and love which we all agree are important....

I think it is more important for me to marry someone of a specific phenotype in order to preserve the phenotype, rather than a person of a specific linguistic or cultural background.

[Kadu]

If Dinaricisation is a process then can there be a Dinarid subrace, or only Dinaricised subraces?

As you may know "sub-races" failed to represent the actual phenotypical spectrum of countries because they described very specific types, normally extreme types, i.e. the Nordid type versus the Dalofaelid one when in reality most individuals are somewhere in the middle, phenotypical variation works as a clinal process with more variables than the ones i gave as example though.
So a dinaricised individual in an extreme manner maybe called Dinaric but in reality it doesn't happen as few individuals have such aberrant features.

[Lahtari]

Should blue eyed people marry brown eyed people? Should tall, medium and short people marry only other people of same height? Should public workers be allowed to procreate with workers from private sector?

For me this question sounds as silly as the above. If one marries a foreigner, the children will be half-foreign and that will have an effect on their identity. The more exotic the foreigner, the stronger the effect. Some arbitrary categories have nothing to do with it.

I wonder how those who intend basing their choice of a spouse on outdated science would act if they had a child that would look foreign due to a set of rare alleles combining just by chance? Would they disown the child right away or just when he/she marries an average looking compatriot?

Should I search for a similar mate? I think no. There are more important factors to determine the right partner for you.

And actually human are pre-programmed to prefer people who look relatively similar (preferring their own genetic stock), but not too similar to avoid incest.

[Crimson Guard]

If Dinaricisation is a process then can there be a Dinarid subrace, or only Dinaricised subraces?

Dinarics are hybridized composite type. Also the practice of cradling/head binding confused anthologists in the past.

The Dinaric-Mediterranean type F1 is the higher more Mediterranean version found in Lower Egypt or Anatolia; F2 is the broader bigger-faced more Dinaroid version, rarely with less curved occiput; and F3 is the low-headed East Balkan version with some Iranian face features. Type F4, with its more Iranian face and short vault and with little occipital bulge diverges toward the Armenoid of Bunak and others. Note that type F never has the "flat" occiput of Dinaric and Armenoid types; this occiput is probably artificial (head-bounding) in any case.(Lawrence Angel)

http://dienekes.110mb.com/texts/angeltypes/


Here is Coon's description of the Dinaric:

Dinaric: A tall, brachycephalic type of intermediate pigmentation, usually planoccipital, and showing the facial and nasal prominence of Near Eastern peoples. The basic population of the whole Dinaric-Alpine highlands from Switzerland to Epirus, also in the Carpathians and Caucasus, as well as Syria and Asia Minor. Apparently a brachycephalized blend in which Atlanto-Mediterranean and Cappadocian strains are important, with Alpine acting as the brachycephalizing agent in mixture. Borreby and Corded elements, also Nordic, appear to be involved in some regions.

and here is his Armenoid:

Armenoid: A similar brachycephalic composite type, with the same head form as the Dinaric, but a larger face and nose. The pigmentation is almost entirely brunet, the pilous development of beard and body abundant, the nose high rooted, convex, and the tip depressed, especially in advanced age. The difference between the Armenoid and the Dinaric is that here it is the Irano-Afghan race which furnishes the Mediterranean element, brachycephalized by Alpine mixture

[Matritensis]

To answer to the OP,there's nothing one can do about it.It has happened uncountable times in Europe before and it will continue to happen.We can only affect those things at an individual level.I'm sure that the pre-Indoeuropean Europe looked racially different than nowaday´s.Besides,one of the effects of different phenotypes meeting is very frequently a high degree of curiosity that leads easily to plain attraction.

[Östsvensk]

Should blue eyed people marry brown eyed people?

In my opinion it depends here. I would be critical to it if the brown-eyed partner wouldn't carry the blue-eyed gene. But of course, basically all Swedes with brown eyes do carry the gene, so when looking at these kinds of marriages within the own ethnic group, it wouldn't be much of a matter.

Should tall, medium and short people marry only other people of same height?

Short people should marry very tall people.