Euro-criteria for founder-settler countries

[Fred]

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What countries of the New World would you state that are legitimate scions of their European parents to this day? At which point do they lose ecumenical ties and are cast aside as completely foreign? When the controlling colonising country withdraws its occupying population, or even if they stay, but the leadership remains in the hands of the creoles? If the parent country disowns their child, because the child has become feisty, is that legitimate for saying that the child is no longer of the parents' family? What kind of outlook would that be for space colonisation? Would it help or hurt? What about devolved institutions such as the Commonwealth, or Denmark's relations with the Faroe Islands and Greenland?

[Xabukaz]

What countries of the New World would you state that are legitimate scions of their European parents to this day?

None. The United States is made up of English, Germans, Irish and Swedes. We are not scions of anyone European nation exclusively. Argentine is derived from Spaniards and Italians with an assortment of other Europeans. Canada has the French and the English, Scots and Irish along with other Europeans. The new nations are still evolving as are their parents. They are more like cousins who share a common ancestry. The settlers of Quebec came from a France that is very different from the one that exist at present.

At which point do they lose ecumenical ties and are cast aside as completely foreign?

At the point when they declared their independence. Or in the case of Quebec abandoned by the mother country.

[Fred]

I meant which are still European enough to be recognised as such, not necessarily which kind of European.

[Cato]

I meant which are still European enough to be recognised as such, not necessarily which kind of European.

Recognized by whom? Why do European-descended new worlders need to be recognized as such?

[Fred]

There are Eurocentrics here who hate America, for instance. I only aimed to get a general figure for which countries outside of the Continent would they admire or accept, although I won't necessarily hold myself to their positions. Of course, Eurocolonials are just as free to assess which countries of the New World, or even the Old, exterior to Europe the Continent, are not incompatible to Europe.

[Westfalen]

None. The United States is made up of English, Germans, Irish and Swedes.

Don't you forget a large part of the origin of the U.S.A.? I mean the country that hired Henry Hudson, bought Manhattan (Peter Stuyvesant) founded New York and many other cities. Origin of the biggest part of Michigan's population.
It is said that about 10% of the U.S.-blood is Dutch.
Even have had their own state/colony "Nieuw Nederland" covering the following cities 1609:


What countries of the New World would you state that are legitimate scions of their European parents to this day?

New-Zealand, (yes that's named after Dutch province Zeeland by Dutchman Abel Tasman, yes also Tasmania was named after him)
and Australia are both very British. Off course there are many people from other countries, but they are mostly British, so true scions of Great Britain.

Suriname (Dutch Guyana) and Dutch Antilles speak mostly Dutch even though Suriname is independent, but filled with negroes.

[Cato]

There are Eurocentrics here who hate America, for instance. I only aimed to get a general figure for which countries outside of the Continent would they admire or accept, although I won't necessarily hold myself to their positions. Of course, Eurocolonials are just as free to assess which countries of the New World, or even the Old, exterior to Europe the Continent, are not incompatible to Europe.

Such people can pucker up and prepare to kiss my Wookie-like backside because I'm not going anywhere.

[Mesrine]

What countries of the New World would you state that are legitimate scions of their European parents to this day?

None. Assume yourself, you're adult now.

[Fred]

None. Assume yourself, you're adult now.

I assume therefore, that you don't care to vet opinions other than your own?

[SwordoftheVistula]

What countries of the New World would you state that are legitimate scions of their European parents to this day?

Australia, Canada, Iceland, New Zealand, United States

At which point do they lose ecumenical ties and are cast aside as completely foreign?

When the controlling mechanisms are turned over fully to non-Europeans beyond forseeable return, in most cases meaning a nonwhite voting majority. For example South Africa and Rhodesia turning over control by giving blacks the vote.

the leadership remains in the hands of the creoles?

This is not determinitive in the cases where the creoles can be voted out. For example, France and the US currently have non-European Presidents, but this could easily change in the next election. Rhodesia and South Africa, on the other hand, appear to be under African control for the forseeable future, to say nothing of countries like India and Kenya which never had more than a miniscule European population.

There are Eurocentrics here who hate America, for instance. I only aimed to get a general figure for which countries outside of the Continent would they admire or accept

Oh, those people? Only when we start riding mopeds and city busses, wearing track suits, beating eachother to death over soccer games, and living on unemployment benefits in government run housing complexes