Shared Blood

[Malva]

Frigga, -with all my respect to you and colonials, I don't think anything personal is at play here but I think that the main problem lies in the fact that most Europeans nowadays sees "America" as something totally opposite to European interests or perception of identity (things are changing quiclky because of the so-called globalization, etc though). Unfortunately, regarding the racist thing is not an European thing or American thing or Asian thing only... and I don't need to give illustrations.

[Frigga]

Thank you Alana. I guess that I was hoping for more respect on the forum as least towards everyone. I try and treat everyone based on themselves as a person, and was attempting to let people know that it would good if they did on here as well. I have noticed too much petty bickering about things based solely on what country or religion one is of. People are not going to change just because I ask them nicely to.

[Anthropos]

Frigga's_spindle thinks that Europeans should see things from an American point of view. Europeans have been 'asked' to do so for almost onehundred years now, and Europeans, many of whom are interested in remaining what they are, are fed up with this. If anything, Americans seem to need the reverse exercise much more.

Frigga's_spindle thinks that Americans and Europeans have a 'common enemy'. This is once again what Europeans are 'asked' to believe every day, but in order that we may avoid really serious misconceptions along these lines - what Svarog said - it is best to say that it is not true that there is a common enemy.

In fact, we are never asked to see things from an American point of view, but it is taken for granted that we should be happy to do so. That is our everyday reality, and now it is expected of us by Frigga's_spindle on The Apricity, the European preservation forum. Do you see the irony?

As for who is a European, as far as I know, neither Europeans nor Americans consider Americans to be Europeans. Americans are welcome on The Apricity, and that is fine with me, I like it even, but Americans remain Americans, which is not a bad thing.

[Osweo]

Frigga's_spindle thinks that Europeans should see things from an American point of view. Europeans have been 'asked' to do so for almost onehundred years now, and Europeans, many of whom are interested in remaining what they are, are fed up with this. If anything, Americans seem to need the reverse exercise much more.

This board treats Europe 'ethnically and culturally', not geographically. Don't like it - go join Stirpes. Otherwise, stop making pointless argumentative generalisations. FS is a young woman with piss-all impact on the foreign policy of her state, just as I have next to none on mine. It's easy, but incredibly boring, to always throw general geoploitical stuff at our American members as though they had any power over it. So give it a rest.

Frigga's_spindle thinks that Americans and Europeans have a 'common enemy'. This is once again what Europeans are 'asked' to believe every day, but in order that we may avoid really serious misconceptions along these lines - what Svarog said - it is best to say that it is not true that there is a common enemy.

Immigration from the Third World. The existence of powerful fifth columns in our societies that encourage this. The erosion of free speech and monopolisation of mass media by plutocrats and ideologues. We ALL are suffering from this. And what happens in America affects the situation here. 'DICTATES', you might even say. Our academics and politicians follow the fashions from there, and occasionally there is a reverse flow too. We are all in this together. Macedonia has fallen, Rome is the power monger now, and there's nothing we can do about it, but try to support those there that would change things more in our favour.

In fact, we are never asked to see things from an American point of view, but it is taken for granted that we should be happy to do so. That is our everyday reality, and now it is expected of us by Frigga's_spindle on The Apricity, the European preservation forum. Do you see the irony?

No. She does it as a woman on behalf of herself and other members here, who are occasionally treated as two-dimensional targets.

As for who is a European, as far as I know, neither Europeans nor Americans consider Americans to be Europeans. Americans are welcome on The Apricity, and that is fine with me, I like it even, but Americans remain Americans, which is not a bad thing.

I have lived with Americans abroad, and could easily go there and fit in. FS bears a surname that I could see anywhere in my country, she speaks my language - not as a Nigerian does - but as a descendant of people from here. It's easier for Englishmen to identify with Americans than Swedes, I'm sure, but we are as European as you, so don't speak for us! Real Americans are my cultural and ethnic kin. And I even have reasonably close family there. Americans and other colonials have been at Apricity from the START, making this place what it is. It is ridiculous to have to keep revisiting the tiresome old 'but they're not Europeans' nonsense. Get over it.

[Anthropos]

This board treats Europe 'ethnically and culturally', not geographically. Don't like it - go join Stirpes. Otherwise, stop making pointless argumentative generalisations. FS is a young woman with piss-all impact on the foreign policy of her state, just as I have next to none on mine. It's easy, but incredibly boring, to always throw general geoploitical stuff at our American members as though they had any power over it. So give it a rest.

All of what you said there missed the mark completely, because my point was none other than this: Europeans have their own points of view, where it should be noted that they are not uniform, and besides, if anything, FS's post was laboured on an entirely invented common interest policy that does not exist as a point of view, at least not in any sense that is relevant to European presevation. The part that you hang your argument on - and you seem to be pretty angry for some reason - is just a reality check to counter that invention, with reality. We have enough in common for discussions to be fruitous, no doubt, but any comparison should be laboured on things as they are at face value, and not on a preconceived notion-construction of a same boat that does not exist in reality. The cultural and ethnic realities relevant here do not fit into it.

Immigration from the Third World. The existence of powerful fifth columns in our societies that encourage this. The erosion of free speech and monopolisation of mass media by plutocrats and ideologues. We ALL are suffering from this. And what happens in America affects the situation here. 'DICTATES', you might even say. Our academics and politicians follow the fashions from there, and occasionally there is a reverse flow too. We are all in this together. Macedonia has fallen, Rome is the power monger now, and there's nothing we can do about it, but try to support those there that would change things more in our favour.

'Those there' being who? There's no denying that in a purely abstract sense one could make a list of enemies. But the situation in Europe, from the point of view of preservation, is not uniform, nor is there any way to unify it without giving in to dangerous experiments such as the 'European Union'. The list of things that would attempt to unite polyform Europe with America (also polyform, in a different way) against common enemies has none or little bearing on real matters, since the situation is nowhere the same as elsewhere.

No. She does it as a woman on behalf of herself and other members here, who are occasionally treated as two-dimensional targets.

Everyone is occasionally treated like that. It was even suggested by Frigga's_spindle that any conflict here on The Apricity between American's and Europeans originated with Europeans 'sneering at' Americans. I wouldn't know about that, now would I, but it's difficult to believe that she is even trying to assess the situation impartially.

I have lived with Americans abroad, and could easily go there and fit in. FS bears a surname that I could see anywhere in my country, she speaks my language - not as a Nigerian does - but as a descendant of people from here. It's easier for Englishmen to identify with Americans than Swedes, I'm sure, but we are as European as you, so don't speak for us! Real Americans are my cultural and ethnic kin. And I even have reasonably close family there. Americans and other colonials have been at Apricity from the START, making this place what it is. It is ridiculous to have to keep revisiting the tiresome old 'but they're not Europeans' nonsense. Get over it.

Well, you just misunderstood me completely, again. Don't be cross. I said very clearly that American is not a bad thing to be. And nowhere did I try to exclude Americans.

[Fred]

If Hitler hadn’t declared war on the US the chances of Congress sanctioning a two front war were practically zero. Roosevelt wanted war less from any want to help his “dear friend” Churchill and more out of an opportunity to dismantle the British Empire (the world’s largest trading block and standing in the way of American commercial interests). Interesting that Hitler once offered Britain German soldiers to defend the empire, whilst Roosevelt was adamant that not one American boy would die for it……

But’s that all in the past, if I was to judge Americans by their government (their highly hypocritical political “values”) I would probably detest them, but I understand that a people are rarely represented by their leaders (elected or otherwise) and I have had the fortune to know many colonials. America today is what Britain used to be, the world’s bully boy masking it’s antics with BS ideology about “democracy” “liberty” you get the picture……apparently the Royal Navy ended the slave trade out of “liberty” “humanity” etc….Laugh My Ass Off…..

I tend to class the Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders as honorary “Anglo-Saxons” ideologically at least, given that most Americans are not of English descent (in fact very few if I understand correctly). It’s a romantic conceit. In reality I have a hard time considering anyone north of York as English to any degree (more Jocks than owt else), let alone a Yankee or Aussie (bastards beat us on Saturday so that country can burn for all I care!)

Roosevelt was a Dutchman.

You bash White Man's Burden and Manifest Destiny?

Yes, I often get confused on whether England or Scotland is more my type. Why be the butt of English jokes when you can lord it over the Scots? Northumbria is a special place.

[Treffie]

As far as a common enemy goes, yes we all do share a common enemy, political correctness and multiculturalism that is trying to force us to intergrate other nationalities in our midst against our common sense and good judgement. America for one shouldn't take in any more peoples, we're getting full! Plus with outsourcing our jobs and foods to overseas, we'll not be able to feed the ones here anymore if the current trend continues. Reestablishing pride in our own countries is very important, but so is respect for our fellow Europeans, and Colonials descended from Europeans. We have more in common with you then the ones flooding our countries from war ravaged countries from South America and Africa.

In my opinion as Europeans, many of us see Americanisation as one of the biggest threats to our preservation. When we compare the impact of Americanisation with say Islam, Americanisation has had a much more detrimental effect on our society so far. However, Europeans being Europeans, we do not share views as to what is the common enemy. For example, people from Britain may be much more receptive to US ideals compared to people in eastern Europe.

[Fred]

All of what you said there missed the mark completely, because my point was none other than this: Europeans have their own points of view, where it should be noted that they are not uniform, and besides, if anything, FS's post was laboured on an entirely invented common interest policy that does not exist as a point of view, at least not in any sense that is relevant to European presevation. The part that you hang your argument on - and you seem to be pretty angry for some reason - is just a reality check to counter that invention, with reality. We have enough in common for discussions to be fruitous, no doubt, but any comparison should be laboured on things as they are at face value, and not on a preconceived notion-construction of a same boat that does not exist in reality. The cultural and ethnic realities relevant here do not fit into it.

'Those there' being who? There's no denying that in a purely abstract sense one could make a list of enemies. But the situation in Europe, from the point of view of preservation, is not uniform, nor is there any way to unify it without giving in to dangerous experiments such as the 'European Union'. The list of things that would attempt to unite polyform Europe with America (also polyform, in a different way) against common enemies has none or little bearing on real matters, since the situation is nowhere the same as elsewhere.

Everyone is occasionally treated like that. It was even suggested by Frigga's_spindle that any conflict here on The Apricity between American's and Europeans originated with Europeans 'sneering at' Americans. I wouldn't know about that, now would I, but it's difficult to believe that she is even trying to assess the situation impartially.



Well, you just misunderstood me completely, again. Don't be cross. I said very clearly that American is not a bad thing to be. And nowhere did I try to exclude Americans.

In my opinion as Europeans, many of us see Americanisation as one of the biggest threats to our preservation. When we compare the impact of Americanisation with say Islam, Americanisation has had a much more detrimental effect on our society so far. However, Europeans being Europeans, we do not share views as to what is the common enemy. For example, people from Britain may be much more receptive to US ideals compared to people in eastern Europe.

All right now. Look at it as a game of connect-the-dots. Europe in general is only connected to America via the British Isles, but this is a two-way street. The British Isles also have as many connections directly with Europe that America has indirectly, of a "sub-ethnic" kind that is not considered to be held in accordance with the establishment that either founded these nations, or with that which now rules and runs things from its perspective. In a sense, Italian Americans could just as easily treasure the Roman Britannia as they could look directly to Italy...but which would be more appropriate in an Anglophone world?

[Allenson]

In my opinion as Europeans, many of us see Americanisation as one of the biggest threats to our preservation. When we compare the impact of Americanisation with say Islam, Americanisation has had a much more detrimental effect on our society so far. However, Europeans being Europeans, we do not share views as to what is the common enemy. For example, people from Britain may be much more receptive to US ideals compared to people in eastern Europe.

Many of us see modern Americanization as a problem too.

I for one am no fan of the homogenization of our towns by way of fast-food joints & box stores, interstate highways, the loss of unique regionalisms, local accents and the wanton melding of the population, amongst many other things.

I conside myself lucky though, to live some 40 miles from the nearest McDonald's.

[Loki]

I think one of the big problems, that get Europeans a bit skeptical about Americans on the forum -- is that Americans claim to know what is better for Europe, than Europeans themselves. They don't. They know as much about that, than Europeans know what is best for America. I can therefore really understand why some Europeans go with the "but you're not European" mantra. It is not that they don't recognise common ancestry/kinship ... but just that they are tired of the American patronisation.