The political stance of the Iranian Azerbaijani people; Iranian nationalism or Pan-Turkism?

[Yalquzaq]

I will repeat what Hayalet said, do you have comprhension problems? Read what I wrote. You post personal opinions of some Iranicentrist views and except people to comment on it? I pointed one of the inaccurate claim in your quote, for starters. Besides, your quote also has nothing to do with mindset or anything. And the fact stands that your 15 years old, basically you are talking about things above your age.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Troll thread by a 15 years old child. Besides, who told you that Iranocentrist personal opinions and theories are actual facts? For one, they are arguing against a factual reality, secondly there alot of arguments to support this factual reality, so in short your first post makes no sense whatsoever. Besides, they are filled with alot of mistakes. To begin with, Azerbaijani Turkish has vowel harmony unlike what your quote claims. This is one of the key features of Azerbaijani Turkish as a Turkic language. Characteristics of Azerbaijani is also the closest to the language of Dede Korkut book which was written down in 14th century. So tell me, what is the credibility of these quotes?

Beyond the arguments between 15 years old kids who write whatever they dream as "facts", the reality is one:

The revolutionary movement of Iranian Azeris who want to secede from Iran and join Azerbaijan is as much visible as the revolutionary movement of Azerbaijani Azeris who want to join Iran...

...Which in both cases is ZERO, NADA, ZILTCH, NOTHING!!!

As I have also said in another thread, I've heard of Kurdish rebellions in Iran, but no Azeri rebellions whatsoever, and the Azeris of Persia are much more numerous than the Kurds of Persia.

The rest is bullshit...

[Proto-Shaman]

Iran isn't among the options for the possible locations.

But Paleolithic Africa, 50.000 years ago.

[Proto-Shaman]

I am not Irano-centrist at all, Turkic people in the middle-east are descendants of the pre-Turkic people, alteast the majority of them...besides, this is about the political stance regarding the Azerbaijani mindset...

Would't you admit that the ethnographic history of the Azeris is characterized by an multiethnic origin? However, it is also quite clear that the Medes, another ancient Iranian people, played an important role in the formation of the Azeri people. Azerbaijani scholars confirm this as well, though they also try to indicate to a partial ancient Turkic substrate in Medes, in regard to various warlike nomadic peoples such as the Lullubis, Turukkaeans, Subartu (Subars), Aratta etc..

[Shah-Jehan]

But Paleolithic Africa, 50.000 years ago.

Yes, IE languages and their distinct groups are too different to have split in the time period what Eurocentrists claim...

[Shah-Jehan]

Would't you admit that the ethnographic history of the Azeris is characterized by an multiethnic origin? However, it is also quite clear that the Medes, another ancient Iranian people, played an important role in the formation of the Azeri people. Azerbaijani scholars confirm this as well, though they also try to indicate to a partial ancient Turkic substrate in Medes, in regard to various warlike nomadic peoples such as the Lullubis, Turukkaeans, Subartu (Subars), Aratta etc..

Yes, I accept that Azerbaijanis are all Turkified peoples of the regions they are living in, with the ones in Iran being predominantly of Iranic origins with Turkmen minority and the ones in the republic especially more north to be of Caucasian Albanian as well as Iranic with Turkmen elite.

[Proto-Shaman]

Yes, IE languages and their distinct groups are too different to have split in the time period what Eurocentrists claim...

Well, eurocentric claims are totally disproved by genetics:


It is a fact that all Iranian tribes are genetically related to the people who lived in south-west of Iran since 10.000 years. Effect of Arabian invasion? Not at all The Arabian invasion has effected south-west of Iran and Bushehr, but in very very few amounts. So the Paleolithic Continuity Paradigm is clearly confirmed by the genetic data. However, this theory, in contrary, reassigns the Kurgan culture (traditionally considered early Indo-European) to a people of predominantly mixed Uralic and Turkic stock.

[Yalquzaq]

Would't you admit that the ethnographic history of the Azeris is characterized by an multiethnic origin? However, it is also quite clear that the Medes, another ancient Iranian people, played an important role in the formation of the Azeri people. Azerbaijani scholars confirm this as well, though they also try to indicate to a partial ancient Turkic substrate in Medes, in regard to various warlike nomadic peoples such as the Lullubis, Turukkaeans, Subartu (Subars), Aratta etc..

How is it "quite clear"? Based on what exactly? Scholars say all kind of weird things, but I haven't seen any Azerbaijani scholar claim any non-Turkic origin. They claim Caucasian Albania and Media, but as Turkic. It is no different than claiming Sumerians as Turks.

[Shah-Jehan]

How is it "quite clear"? Based on what exactly? Scholars say all kind of weird things, but I haven't seen any Azerbaijani scholar claim any non-Turkic origin. They claim Caucasian Albania and Media, but as Turkic. It is no different than claiming Sumerians as Turks.

and you find that logical?

[Yalquzaq]

Beyond the arguments between 15 years old kids who write whatever they dream as "facts", the reality is one:

The revolutionary movement of Iranian Azeris who want to secede from Iran and join Azerbaijan is as much visible as the revolutionary movement of Azerbaijani Azeris who want to join Iran...

...Which in both cases is ZERO, NADA, ZILTCH, NOTHING!!!

As I have also said in another thread, I've heard of Kurdish rebellions in Iran, but no Azeri rebellions whatsoever, and the Azeris of Persia are much more numerous than the Kurds of Persia.

The rest is bullshit...

You are such a retard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souther...ening_Movement

Especially retarded that you compare Kurds to Azerbaijani Turks, and ask why they don't have a armed rebellion. You don't need to go far to point out the obvious differences in the mentality, culture etc...of the said peoples.