What The Media Actually Does To Women

[Harkonnen]

This



is just as much of a object as is this



this



or this



What I'm saying is that you can not say that the fashion industry or media is objectifying women by preferring undersized models, it is just a trend or indeed fashion within the industry. They could sell just as many clothes with normal sized models.

From there it is just what you choose to follow.

[Harkonnen]

And this is the biggest object of them all

[Herr Abubu]

This



is just as much of a object as is this



this



or this



What I'm saying is that you can not say that the fashion industry or media is objectifying women by preferring undersized models, it is just a trend or indeed fashion within the industry. They could sell just as many clothes with normal sized models.

From there it is just what you choose to follow.

It is certainly possible to objectify those, but you certainly don't see it on any large scale. My argument is not against one specific kind of objectification, I'm against all sorts of it. That's not to say I'm against art representing beauty, for instance, but it's the idea and the intention behind that is important. The media objectifies everyone, and reduces them to little else but things to be bought.

Anyway, the arguments are 1) the media gives wrong signals to women which lowers their self-esteem and 2) the media objectifies women (and everything else, but feminists don't care about non-women). It is true for both sexes. The consumers have to keep running in their hamster wheels chasing the end of the road but never reaching it, just like a drug addict, to keep their slave-masters content. Sending out confusing social signals and lowering their self-esteem does this. The objectification of everything lowers the worth of everything. As I said, we are reduced to mere tools.

My point is that many feminists and other groups tend to see the problem, but never the cause of the problem, and consequently never the solution to the problem. You don't solve problems by simply ranting (insert joke about women and problem solving). The problem of most of the 'general social ills' of today are caused by consumerism and related ideas, which are part of the grand problem of modernism. Following my argument, I believe feminists should be against consumerism and hedonism - because that's the problem, in this case and many other.

[Oneeye]

It is certainly possible to objectify those, but you certainly don't see it on any large scale. My argument is not against one specific kind of objectification, I'm against all sorts of it. That's not to say I'm against art representing beauty, for instance, but it's the idea and the intention behind that is important. The media objectifies everyone, and reduces them to little else but things to be bought.

Anyway, the arguments are 1) the media gives wrong signals to women which lowers their self-esteem and 2) the media objectifies women (and everything else, but feminists don't care about non-women). It is true for both sexes. The consumers have to keep running in their hamster wheels chasing the end of the road but never reaching it, just like a drug addict, to keep their slave-masters content. Sending out confusing social signals and lowering their self-esteem does this. The objectification of everything lowers the worth of everything. As I said, we are reduced to mere tools.

My point is that many feminists and other groups tend to see the problem, but never the cause of the problem, and consequently never the solution to the problem. You don't solve problems by simply ranting (insert joke about women and problem solving). The problem of most of the 'general social ills' of today are caused by consumerism and related ideas, which are part of the grand problem of modernism. Following my argument, I believe feminists should be against consumerism and hedonism - because that's the problem, in this case and many other.

Hardcore feminists are into Marx and socialism. At least, that was the impression I got in sociology class. Of course that isn't very popular, because people want to have their cake and eat it too. They don't want to be objectified yet want to objectify. They don't want to be discriminated against, yet want to discriminate. Or even worse, they don't want to mind themselves, and expect others to mind for them. It's a very entitled attitude.


I still think more highly of a woman who sees a problem but can't solve it than a woman obliviously dry humping at a club while music lyrically suggesting date rape is playing.

[Harkonnen]

It is certainly possible to objectify those, but you certainly don't see it on any large scale.

You are speaking subjectively now. Objectively they are equal objects. I guess it could be said that the objectification of a fap model is more purely sexual objectification, whereas with fashion models you can find some other tones to it.

My argument is not against one specific kind of objectification, I'm against all sorts of it. That's not to say I'm against art representing beauty, for instance, but it's the idea and the intention behind that is important. The media objectifies everyone, and reduces them to little else but things to be bought.

Anyway, the arguments are 1) the media gives wrong signals to women which lowers their self-esteem and 2) the media objectifies women (and everything else, but feminists don't care about non-women). It is true for both sexes. The consumers have to keep running in their hamster wheels chasing the end of the road but never reaching it, just like a drug addict, to keep their slave-masters content. Sending out confusing social signals and lowering their self-esteem does this. The objectification of everything lowers the worth of everything. As I said, we are reduced to mere tools.

My point is that many feminists and other groups tend to see the problem, but never the cause of the problem, and consequently never the solution to the problem. You don't solve problems by simply ranting (insert joke about women and problem solving). The problem of most of the 'general social ills' of today are caused by consumerism and related ideas, which are part of the grand problem of modernism. Following my argument, I believe feminists should be against consumerism and hedonism - because that's the problem, in this case and many other.

I believe the early feminist saw this (speaking now of hedonism I guess) as a issue of sexual liberation of women. So that they were in control of their own bodies and did what they pleased with it. So in their minds they consumed () men. It is of course true that this is, from an angle, objectification of both sexes.

[Incal]

Hardcore feminists are into Marx and socialism. At least, that was the impression I got in sociology class. Of course that isn't very popular, because people want to have their cake and eat it too. They don't want to be objectified yet want to objectify. They don't want to be discriminated against, yet want to discriminate. Or even worse, they don't want to mind themselves, and expect others to mind for them. It's a very entitled attitude.

Good appreciation. I've observed this too.

[Herbalist]

I found an interesting article today, maybe it deserves its own thread:

Why Women Aren’t Welcome on the Internet

“Ignore the barrage of violent threats and harassing messages that confront you online every day.” That’s what women are told. But these relentless messages are an assault on women’s careers, their psychological bandwidth, and their freedom to live online. We have been thinking about Internet harassment all wrong.

[dude]

Has anyone ever noticed the pictures of the man the go along with these women? Add to the mix that those "men" always say the right words and read her mind at the right time, so then husbands have to deal with a bitch wife because he does not measure up to standards she has seen on advertisement.

The difference is that men do not expect that woman in media, while women do expect that man in the media. It is wrong to put women and men impossible standards so let's stop the hypocrisy. Men do not buy into this media crap like women do, so they do it to themselves and them the husband has to deal with her because she is "fat" and he is not romantic and hot enough.

[Shkembe Chorba]

[Leo Iscariot]

Has anyone ever noticed the pictures of the man the go along with these women? Add to the mix that those "men" always say the right words and read her mind at the right time, so then husbands have to deal with a bitch wife because he does not measure up to standards she has seen on advertisement.

The difference is that men do not expect that woman in media, while women do expect that man in the media. It is wrong to put women and men impossible standards so let's stop the hypocrisy. Men do not buy into this media crap like women do, so they do it to themselves and them the husband has to deal with her because she is "fat" and he is not romantic and hot enough.

This is true. Try going onto Facebook or Twitter and look at the pages run by teen girls on what they expect from a potential boyfriend. On this one page on Facebook, I've see posts like "A guy who doesn't get jealous when you have guy friends. <3" and, on the flipside, "If she don't like that bitch, you don't talk to that bitch."

I've seen a lot of other hypocrisies too, but most of the posts really seem to be impossible expectations pulled straight out of Romance movies.