Is that a church?

[Kadu]

Because it is being announced that this great architect N.N. made this fantastic building. I somehow doubt that he even believes in God. In tradition, the artisan is anonymous, and the making of any piece of art playing any role in the Church is carried out in the form of an initiation, a sacred and ritual undertaking.

You don't have to be a believer in order to design a church and about the artist being anonymous it's not true as i could mention, Alberti, Borromini, Bernini and a few others, all of them renowned Architects who built fabulous churches and which have not been forgotten.

[Anthropos]

You don't have to be a believer in order to design a church and about the artist being anonymous it's not true as i could mention, Alberti, Borromini, Bernini and a few others, all of them renowned Architects who built fabulous churches and which have not been forgotten.

Yes, you have to. The fact that traditional principles have been breached do not invalidate them. It invalidates what was made without the aid of those principles.

[Kadu]

Yes, you have to. The fact that traditional principles have been breached do not invalidate them. It invalidates what was made without the aid of those principles.

I actually doubt that all great Catedrals were built by Architects who believed in God.
BTW, i'm an Agnostic and it's a strong wish of mine to design a church someday.

[Osweo]

I actually doubt that all great Catedrals were built by Architects who believed in God.
BTW, i'm an Agnostic and it's a strong wish of mine to design a church someday.

Surely you are aware of the mystical numerology that went into the designs? Of the cultic practices of the masons' guilds?

I helped rebuild an Orthodox Church in provincial Russia a few years ago, mostly just by pushing wheelbarrows full of sand and rocks to where they were needed. Before I was allowed to do so, the priest questioned me about my religious background, discussed his Church's relations with Anglicanism, and then he made a makeshift pragmatic 'consecration' of me, a blessing of sorts, through some sort of theological loophole. He didn't seem to think this unimportant in the slightest.

[Kadu]

Surely you are aware of the mystical numerology that went into the designs? Of the cultic practices of the masons' guilds?

Yes i'm quite aware of it, and even anyone who read Dan Brown's knows it.

[Osweo]

Yes i'm quite aware of it, and even anyone who read Dan Brown's knows it.

[Anthropos]

Yes i'm quite aware of it, and even anyone who read Dan Brown's knows it.

That's most likely and hopefully not the type of mason referred to by Osweo. The 'mason' in question should be what I called the 'artisan'.

I think I understand that this was a joke, Kadu, but although I'd give it the caricature of a smile, I don't think it was funny.

[Svarog]

As if it matters anyway, who believes and wants to pray, he'll do it whenever, is it ugly? IMO - yes it is

[Anthropos]

”[T]he works of traditional art, those of medieval art, for instance, are generally anonymous, and it is only very recently that attempts have been made, as a result of modern ’individualism’, to attach the few names preserved in human history to known masterpieces, even though such ’attributions’ are often very hypothetical.”

René Guénon, The Reign of Quantity & the Signs of the Times, Chapter 9: "The Twofold Significance of Anonymity".

[Tony]

So a church must look like a church? Why?

I believe that , first and last , a church should promote unity among its fedels instead of divisiveness , these kind of churches are like a punch into your face , they will be liked by a minority of progressive attenders , those who believe everything new is good just for the mere fact of being ... new (you know what kind of people I'm talking of?) but not by the majority of conservatives , and this discors is already devilish.
Very long ago even the gothic style (that I adore) were seen as barbaric so I can't pretend to be a 100% purist , I can accept a bit of architectonic modernization but it has to be done carefully , by asking the fedels' opinion before for example , and step by step , I can't stand the Vatican agency giving the ok to these monstruosities , they are temples to the vanity of archistars instead of temples to pray the Lord.

Feel free to write in a short paragraph what a church should look like.
You can quote someone else too if you like.



So does Rubik's cube

it also resemble Scrooge McDuck's depot...



but it's not the cube per se , I don't think you got the main point...