Northern Irish

[Fear Fiain]

They are not all of Scots ancestry.

I mean look at the current religion stats.

41% Catholic
19% Presbyterian
14% Anglican

the english who were the ones who murdered, are the anglicans. the presbyterians are half scots and half irish protestants. yes, some irish people became protestant. it was like, this giant historical event called the reformation.
my mom is what you would call "green presbyterian" : irish, supports a united ireland, proud to be irish, proud to be protestant.

[Longbowman]

the english who were the ones who murdered, are the anglicans. the presbyterians are half scots and half irish protestants. yes, some irish people became protestant. it was like, this giant historical event called the reformation.
my mom is what you would call "green presbyterian" : irish, supports a united ireland, proud to be irish, proud to be protestant.

Yes. The English are the bad guys. Up the 'RA.

You're American, you don't really get a say on the issue anyway. Besides, there are no pure English/Welsh/Scots there, all we can know is that the original settlers were overwhelmingly Scottish (one sources gives it as nine Scots to every three Welsh to every one Englishman). Considering support for the Union is at well over the 50% mark you can be sure it's not only Anglicans who support it anyway. Very few Irish became protestant during the Reformation or at all for many reasons - one of which being at the time, the Crown's control of Ireland was limited to the Pale, which was just Dublin and the surrounding area.

[Loki]

They are not all of Scots ancestry.

I mean look at the current religion stats.

41% Catholic
19% Presbyterian
14% Anglican

From Wikipedia:

Protestantism 42%
Roman Catholicism 41%
No religion 17%
Non-Christian religions 1%

Northern Ireland is the whitest part of the UK, and also whiter than Ireland.



98.28% White
1.06% Asian
0.20% Black
0.46% other

[Loki]

Novella can speak Scots

[Fear Fiain]

Yes. The English are the bad guys. Up the 'RA.

You're American, you don't really get a say on the issue anyway. Besides, there are no pure English/Welsh/Scots there, all we can know is that the original settlers were overwhelmingly Scottish (one sources gives it as nine Scots to every three Welsh to every one Englishman). Considering support for the Union is at well over the 50% mark you can be sure it's not only Anglicans who support it anyway. Very few Irish became protestant during the Reformation or at all for many reasons - one of which being at the time, the Crown's control of Ireland was limited to the Pale, which was just Dublin and the surrounding area.

thanks for the history lesson, I'd never heard of the pale. I've also never heard of the plantation, or of the battle of the boyne, and I'm also not trying to dumb down and explanation of the plantation of ulster or explain how the english aristocrats who settled it had to bring in scots to settle because they were afraid that what they had done would be done to them - a fear which ultimately is still echoed by loyalists, despite all assurances that the majority of people just want to be free and move the hell on.

But let's make this clear - you're english, you don't get a say.
I'm eligible for citizenship in either of your shit-tier countries, and as long as my people in America are having our asses kissed for tourism, guns, and diplomatic intervention by both sides, I think we have a right to speak our minds on a place where we have relatives and loved ones. Got it? good.

[arcticwolf]

Many of these Scotch-Irish immigrated to America. They have an estimated 27 million descendants there.

Hold on there cowboy, let's do the math.

So 100000 came after 1607, I'm assuming not on one ship, right?

so it took some time? they have multiplied over 4 centuries into 1.8 mil today in NI.

Now they started immigrating to NA at some point, and there they multiplied into 27 mil today.

Did I get that right?

Ok, so how the fuck does that make any sense? LOL

[Longbowman]

thanks for the history lesson, I'd never heard of the pale. I've also never heard of the plantation, or of the battle of the boyne, and I'm also not trying to dumb down and explanation of the plantation of ulster or explain how the english aristocrats who settled it had to bring in scots to settle because they were afraid that what they had done would be done to them - a fear which ultimately is still echoed by loyalists, despite all assurances that the majority of people just want to be free and move the hell on.

But let's make this clear - you're english, you don't get a say.
I'm eligible for citizenship in either of your shit-tier countries, and as long as my people in America are having our asses kissed for tourism, guns, and diplomatic intervention by both sides, I think we have a right to speak our minds on a place where we have relatives and loved ones. Got it? good.

I'm British*. I do get a say, actually (with regards to Northern Ireland, of course).

You are not eligible for citizenship here unless you have a British parent or an Irish grandparent.

I'm not kicking your arse for anything. I am in fact a US citizen myself (my father is American). Don't put words in my mouth. But, you still don't get a say. You're entitled to an ill-informed opinion, though.

Your Anglophobia would be more honest if you expressed it in any other language but English. What happened 400 years ago has no impact on the current population of Ulster vis-a-vis guilt and status as murderers, otherwise I'd kindly ask you and all your people to get out of the Red Man's land, hypocrite. The most recent spree of violence comes from our friends the IRA.

[Celxon]

Hold on there cowboy, let's do the math.

So 100000 came after 1607, I'm assuming not on one ship, right?

so it took some time? they have multiplied over 4 centuries into 1.8 mil today in NI.

Now they started immigrating to NA at some point, and there they multiplied into 27 mil today.

Did I get that right?

Ok, so how the fuck does that make any sense? LOL

They mixed with millions of people of other ethnicities. It's almost impossible to find pure Scots-Irish Americans.

[Celxon]

Your Anglophobia would be more honest if you expressed it in any other language but English.

He'll feel better after he drinks some Guinness, watches "Braveheart", reads a chapter from "Le Morte d'Arthur", and sings along with some Irish rebel songs on You Tube.

"Come out ye Black and Tans. Come out and fight me like a man."

[Incal]

So... they aren't really Irish?

There are "real" Irish and of course they are catholic.

BTW Northern Ireland is the most conservative place in the whole UK, and a tip to the preservationists here: There are no immigrants in NI. The whole week I was there I just saw one black guy, one woman in hijab and some paki/indian. That's all.