"Only 3.6% of Filipinos have ANY European DNA"

[ButlerKing]

Filipino has been hispanized. Their european ancestry is useless.


Filipino haplogroup is 90% O1a and O3

[ButlerKing]

There's a big myth going around that only 3.6% of Filipinos have European ancestry. I see it quoted all over the internet and I used to say it myself because I believed it. But then I actually read the study where the myth originated. Here it is…
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...6/?tool=pubmed

The study was about paternal lineage in SEAsia & the Pacific. They found that 1 out of the 28 Filipinos they tested (3.6%) had a European paternal haplogroup. Somehow that got misinterpreted to mean that only 3.6% of Filipinos have European ancestry period. There is no way that’s true because I’ve personally looked at 55 Filipino ancestry compositions and 45 (81%) have at least .1% European in the conservative estimate. All of these individuals are "full" Filipino in the sense that all 4 of their grandparents were born in the Philippines. And all 55 of these individuals were born in the Philippines. I calculated the median amount of European ancestry using these 55 individuals. I used median instead of average because the average amounts were skewed by very high percentages

Median percentage of European:
Conservative- 0.8%
Standard- 1.0%
Speculative- 1.4%

So instead of saying "most Filipinos have no European ancestry at all" we should say "most Filipinos have just a drop of European blood"

To say “only 3.6% of Filipinos have European ancestry” is very far from the truth. According to my numbers, 3.6% of the Filipino population is at least 33% European. Those are the true mestizos. Anything below 33% European is insignificant

I will say even close to zero have European ancestry



Hurles et al. (2005)
Philippines

1/28 = 3.6% K-M9(xK1-M147, L-M61, M1-M4/M5, M2a-SRY9138, N1-LLY22g, O-M175, P-P27/M45, T-M70)
9/28 = 32.1% O1a-M119(xO1a1a-M101, O1a2-M50)
1/28 = 3.6% O1a2-M50
14/28 = 50.0% O3-M122(xO3a3c-M134)
3/28 = 10.7% O3a3c-M134

Kayser et al. (2008)
Philippines
4/37 = 10.8% C-RPS4Y711(xC2-M38, C3-M217)
1/37 = 2.7% F-M89(xK-M9)
1/37 = 2.7% K-M9(xK3-P79, M1-M4, M2-M353, M3-P117, NO-M214, P-M74, S-M230)
1/37 = 2.7% O-M175(xO1a-M119, O2a-M95, O3-M122)
11/37 = 29.7% O1a-M119(xO1a2-M110)
5/37 = 13.5% O1a2-M110
1/37 = 2.7% O3-M122(xO3a-M324)
10/37 = 27.0% O3a-M324(xO3a3b-M7, O3a3c-M134)
1/37 = 2.7% O3a3c-M134
1/37 = 2.7% O2a-M95
1/37 = 2.7% R1-M173


Han-Jun Jin et al. (2009)
Philippines
2/69 = 2.9% Y*(xC, DE, K)
2/69 = 2.9% C
6/69 = 8.7% K(xNO)
2/69 = 2.9% O
11/69 = 15.9% O1
1/69 = 1.4% O2(xO2a, O2b)
1/69 = 1.4% O2a
1/69 = 1.4% O2b(xO2b1)
34/69 = 49.3% O3(xO3c)
9/69 = 13.0% O3c

Han-Jun Jin et al. (2003)
Philippines
3/77 = 3.9% Y*(xC-RPS4Y711, DE-YAP, K-M9)
3/77 = 3.9% C-RPS4Y711
8/77 = 10.4% K-M9(xO-M175)
52/77 = 67.5% O-M175(xLINE1, O2a-M95, O2b-SRY465)
9/77 = 11.7% O-LINE1
1/77 = 1.3% O2b-SRY465(xO2b1-47z)
1/77 = 1.3% O2a-M95

[Amud]

Thanks for all the links. I've long been skeptical of OOA but your information will probably confirm my suspicious for once and for all. I personally work with Koanic and have helped him develop a good deal of his theories. I specialize in recognizing facial features, as well as trying to integrate the face reading system with conventional anthropology as best as possible. I have never seen or met anyone with a "very strong cromag face" who wasn't a complete prole, so I suspect it's your own face-reading abilities that are flawed, not Koanic's system. Either that, or you are a very rare anomaly.

[ButlerKing]

Thank you for clarifying. I have been confused about this myself. I recently talked to someone who was half white and half Filipino. I was wondering if I should consider him to be more than 50% Caucasian, but chances are that he is right around 50% with a fairly negligible degree of uncertainty. I also found it interesting that he appeared to be more than 50% Mongoloid, perhaps 75% if not 100%. Malay genes could be more "dominant"?

This is such a B.S discussion. Show me one study where European Y-DNA even reaches 5% in Filipino?
All the Filipino studies I've seen showed their european Y-DNA to be almost negligible.

[ButlerKing]

^ You can look at his Filipino parent and get an idea of how much European he/she has, but sometimes phenotype won't reveal much

For instance, on 23andme, this lady is 10% European, but doesn't look like it at all


this lady is 0.7% European but looks like many half-Filipinos I know


So far, this is the most European "full" Filipino I've seen, 40% European. But he could pass as just a regular Filipino


But then there are also Filipino mestizos who look pure white.

You should also remember that Filipinos have varying degrees of Australoid and Chinese ancestry, so that further complicates things

Don't forget Paleo-mongoloid proto-mongoloid look

[Amud]

ButlerKing: The two phenotypes on the bottom look quite distinct from one another. Which (if either) would you say is the Denisovan? I suspect one of them is a very close approximation of how the original Denisovans looked. Having any strong degree of such protomorphic racial background would make the genes quite dominant, I suspect.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Thanks for all the links. I've long been skeptical of OOA but your information will probably confirm my suspicious for once and for all. I personally work with Koanic and have helped him develop a good deal of his theories. I specialize in recognizing facial features, as well as trying to integrate the face reading system with conventional anthropology as best as possible. I have never seen or met anyone with a "very strong cromag face" who wasn't a complete prole, so I suspect it's your own face-reading abilities that are flawed, not Koanic's system. Either that, or you are a very rare anomaly.

I think that the koanic/clevonic definition of cromag looks is a bit different than what coon and some reconstructions say. I look pretty close to one of the reconstructions of cromag 1. However, I have a longer head up and down which I get from my english grandfather (who is an extreme tronder type).

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...75-classify-me

Go ahead and let me know what you think. I don't have any dead on sideways shots but you get the idea.

[Amud]

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed into that forum. I'm assuming I need to get my post count/reputation/thumps up/etc. up to snuff before they let me in. I'll check out your pictures when I can and let you know what I think.

I also agree that the original definition of Cro-Mag created by Cleve and Koanic is not a perfect description. It doesn't correspond exactly to the Old Man of Cro-Magnon. It's just a catch-all term for white people who don't show any strong Neanderthal or Melonhead traits. This could include a wide variety of possible phenotypes.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxhei...ogical_site%29

The skull on top right seems more like what is being described by koanic. Basic gracile neolithic farmer, I think.

[Amud]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxhei...ogical_site%29

The skull on top right seems more like what is being described by koanic. Basic gracile neolithic farmer, I think.

Pretty much, yeah. That's not too far off from your average white person today. The Nordic/Mediterranean types will have longer faces, but it's a similar pattern.