Ulster-Scots culture, language, and a short history of the Plantation

**Weedman** · 01-17-2014, 08:41 AM

Ulster-Scots language and culture from a Catholic/ Gaelic speaker's perspective

A History of the Plantation of Ulster, in 10 minutes or less

**~~MayDay~~** · 01-17-2014, 08:45 AM

Most of today's Irish are not really Irish but English and Scottish. The real Irish were mostly killed off. I guess those in Ulster are the ones who didn't convert to the Catholic religion.

**Loki** · 01-17-2014, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by MayDay

Most of today's Irish are not really Irish but English and Scottish. The real Irish were mostly killed off. I guess those in Ulster are the ones who didn't convert to the Catholic religion.

wtf?

Nobody "converted" to the Catholic religion. It's the other way around. Before Protestantism all of us were Catholic.

**Black Wolf** · 01-17-2014, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by MayDay

Most of today's Irish are not really Irish but English and Scottish. The real Irish were mostly killed off. I guess those in Ulster are the ones who didn't convert to the Catholic religion.

Oh ya? Go tell them that. Their ancestors have been there for around 400 years or more.

**Loki** · 01-17-2014, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jaxman

Oh ya? Go tell them that. Their ancestors have been there for around 400 years or more.

Well it's even worse. She didn't talk about the Northern Irish, but the Irish as a whole. They've been there for thousands of years.

**Black Wolf** · 01-17-2014, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

Well it's even worse. She didn't talk about the Northern Irish, but the Irish as a whole. They've been there for thousands of years.

Yes very true.

**~~MayDay~~** · 01-17-2014, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

Well it's even worse. She didn't talk about the Northern Irish, but the Irish as a whole. They've been there for thousands of years.

I'm confused. Melonhead said the native Irish were mostly killed off and replaced by Scottish and English settlers. Maybe he was talking about Ulster only? But he didn't say Ulster. I was in Ireland for a week and saw many English type names, like Wesley, so it made sense to me.

**Loki** · 01-17-2014, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by MayDay

I'm confused. Melonhead said the native Irish were mostly killed off and replaced by Scottish and English settlers. Maybe he was talking about Ulster only? But he didn't say Ulster. I was in Ireland for a week and saw many English type names, like Wesley, so it made sense to me.

Melonhead has never been to Ireland either. Maybe he meant Ulster, maybe not. Who knows. But the fact of the matter is that it is incorrect. And no, you will mostly find Irish surnames in Ireland. In Northern Ireland, you can find more English (and Scottish) surnames, because they are more recent arrivals.

Genetics also confirm that the Irish are Irish.

**Prisoner Of Ice** · 01-17-2014, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

Melonhead has never been to Ireland either. Maybe he meant Ulster, maybe not. Who knows. But the fact of the matter is that it is incorrect. And no, you will mostly find Irish surnames in Ireland. In Northern Ireland, you can find more English (and Scottish) surnames, because they are more recent arrivals.

Genetics also confirm that the Irish are Irish.

Lies on all counts. Unintentional ones, though. But I think I have gone over every inch of each statement here about a hundred times now.

**Prisoner Of Ice** · 01-17-2014, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by MayDay

I'm confused. Melonhead said the native Irish were mostly killed off and replaced by Scottish and English settlers. Maybe he was talking about Ulster only? But he didn't say Ulster. I was in Ireland for a week and saw many English type names, like Wesley, so it made sense to me.

Yes, all but in connacht. And that is only area that the previous invaders largely passed by, as well.