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    Quote Originally Posted by Uhtred View Post
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    Sorry if I sounded rude in a first moment, but with the great ammount of trolls we get here our hearts become greyish with time.
    I was only repeating what Melonhead told me. I don't think he's a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MayDay View Post
    I'm confused. Melonhead said the native Irish were mostly killed off and replaced by Scottish and English settlers. Maybe he was talking about Ulster only? But he didn't say Ulster. I was in Ireland for a week and saw many English type names, like Wesley, so it made sense to me.
    Is this a parody? If so, well done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MayDay View Post
    I was only repeating what Melonhead told me. I don't think he's a troll.
    He's not a troll but he is wrong about that - you shouldn't just believe the first guy who tells you something on the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Melonhead has never been to Ireland either. Maybe he meant Ulster, maybe not. Who knows. But the fact of the matter is that it is incorrect. And no, you will mostly find Irish surnames in Ireland. In Northern Ireland, you can find more English (and Scottish) surnames, because they are more recent arrivals.

    Genetics also confirm that the Irish are Irish.
    You can find English surnames in the Pale. More than a few last names in Ireland are anglicized too. Of course, you find more "real" English and Scottish surnames in Ulster. There's no need to cover that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Even if you combine all those, the genetic impact on the bulk of the population was minimal. Far greater is the Danish genetic impact from the Viking era. I am astonished that people still cling to this myth of large Norman genetic impact in the British Isles. It was merely a ruling thing, along with some aristocracy that moved in. The general population wasn't really affected.
    It would have required a significant military occupation as the anti-Norman resentment last all the way till Henry the 5th. Infact that was a pivotal period in English history. The Irish, Scots, Welsh and English hated the Normans with a passion. Although the city of Watersford, a Viking-celt city fell to just 17 mounted Norman knights. However the impact to me is not significant but I know for a fact I have Norman DNA Many people do but yes they would have intermixed into the native population. The Normans 'became more Irish than the Irish themselves' as the saying went. They were the conquerors of the British Islands. They did more for the British Island than the Saxons, Vikings, and Celts did combined

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    Quote Originally Posted by NormanDePoer View Post
    They [the Normans] were the conquerors of the British Islands. They did more for the British Island than the Saxons, Vikings, and Celts did combined
    Like the Harrying of the North? (sarcasm) Seriously, I agree with your main point, but the other three groups also made vital contributions that were necessary for the development of the British Isles (lasting institutions, port cities, Christian preservation, respectively).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celxon View Post
    Like the Harrying of the North? (sarcasm) Seriously, I agree with your main point, but the other three groups also made vital contributions that were necessary for the development of the British Isles (lasting institutions, port cities, Christian preservation, respectively).
    The whole surname system was invented by Normans for tax purposes. Except Celts were practicing the surname system before the arrival of Germanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NormanDePoer View Post
    The whole surname system was invented by Normans for tax purposes. Except Celts were practicing the surname system before the arrival of Germanics.
    Sure. The Celts and the "Vikings" had a familial naming system, which showed one's relationship to one's dad or grandpa (Mc, O', Ap, -son).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk-n-Stupid View Post
    Ulster-Scots language and culture from a Catholic/ Gaelic speaker's perspective


    A History of the Plantation of Ulster, in 10 minutes or less
    This is really really beautiful, hearing the two languages I heard from childhood blended together, being actually used together. I hope to see a united ireland in which ulster-scots and gaeilge share official language status, and hiberno-english is transitioned out. I would bust my ass as a janitor or similar dirty work if that's what it took to live in such a lovely place.
    I'm looking for people like me, who are crazy, fun, and not afraid of life. and one day when I find them, we'll escape, we'll break out of the zoo.

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