Ulster-Scots culture, language, and a short history of the Plantation

[Loki]

Lies on all counts. Unintentional ones, though. But I think I have gone over every inch of each statement here about a hundred times now.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

[MayDay]

Yes, all but in connacht. And that is only area that the previous invaders largely passed by, as well.

Okay. That makes sense. I spent my week in Mayo county.

[LightHouse89]

wtf?

Nobody "converted" to the Catholic religion. It's the other way around. Before Protestantism all of us were Catholic.

Then Cromwell came and even you Loki must admit he was the Hitler of the British Islands.

[LightHouse89]

Melonhead has never been to Ireland either. Maybe he meant Ulster, maybe not. Who knows. But the fact of the matter is that it is incorrect. And no, you will mostly find Irish surnames in Ireland. In Northern Ireland, you can find more English (and Scottish) surnames, because they are more recent arrivals.

Genetics also confirm that the Irish are Irish.

The Anglo-Normans and Anglo-Irish are examples of earlier English migration however they were descendants mostly of the Medieval era. I have some Anglo-Norman heritage as my name indicates. However they did not impose English culture on the Irish or religion, or political rule [except the Normans in some areas]. The Ulster Scots are different and yes more recent, 1600s and came via the Cromwell invasion.

[Loki]

The Anglo-Normans and Anglo-Irish are examples of earlier English migration however they were descendants mostly of the Medieval era. I have some Anglo-Norman heritage as my name indicates. However they did not impose English culture on the Irish or religion, or political rule [except the Normans in some areas]. The Ulster Scots are different and yes more recent, 1600s and came via the Cromwell invasion.

As for Anglo-Normans, there was no large genetic impact from Normans to England even - just a few sporadic surnames.

[LightHouse89]

As for Anglo-Normans, there was no large genetic impact from Normans to England even - just a few sporadic surnames.

By Normans I include the Flemish, Briton, Dutch, and French Mercenaries who accompanied them and were given lands or intermarried with the minor aristocracy. They came but the actual Normans as Rollo's descendants were not in huge numbers but their army were granted lands as the fleeing Saxons or dead Saxon aristocracies lands were confiscated by the Normans throughout the British Islands. In Ireland and Scotland they mostly mixed with them and were absorbed culturally and genetically I believe.

I would think every Irish, English, Welsh, Scottish and yes Northern Irish have Norman heritage whether from the aristocracy or the mercenaries who came over and were granted knighthood for their service. I have a book on them and read much about this particular time as it is my favorite in British/Irish history. The Normans were the most ruthless bunch and scared away the Vikings. The Normans ere feared in the Middle East even the arabs thought they were a ruthless sort.

[Smaug]

Most of today's Irish are not really Irish but English and Scottish. The real Irish were mostly killed off. I guess those in Ulster are the ones who didn't convert to the Catholic religion.

So many wrong things in a single post that I don't even know where to start from...

[MayDay]

So many wrong things in a single post that I don't even know where to start from...

I've been corrected. I'm more knowledgeable now. Thank you for your concern.

[Loki]

By Normans I include the Flemish, Briton, Dutch, and French Mercenaries who accompanied them and were given lands or intermarried with the minor aristocracy. They came but the actual Normans as Rollo's descendants were not in huge numbers but their army were granted lands as the fleeing Saxons or dead Saxon aristocracies lands were confiscated by the Normans throughout the British Islands. In Ireland and Scotland they mostly mixed with them and were absorbed culturally and genetically I believe.

I would think every Irish, English, Welsh, Scottish and yes Northern Irish have Norman heritage whether from the aristocracy or the mercenaries who came over and were granted knighthood for their service. I have a book on them and read much about this particular time as it is my favorite in British/Irish history. The Normans were the most ruthless bunch and scared away the Vikings. The Normans ere feared in the Middle East even the arabs thought they were a ruthless sort.

Even if you combine all those, the genetic impact on the bulk of the population was minimal. Far greater is the Danish genetic impact from the Viking era. I am astonished that people still cling to this myth of large Norman genetic impact in the British Isles. It was merely a ruling thing, along with some aristocracy that moved in. The general population wasn't really affected.

[Smaug]

I've been corrected. I'm more knowledgeable now. Thank you for your concern.

Good

Sorry if I sounded rude in a first moment, but with the great ammount of trolls we get here our hearts become greyish with time.