Do other germanic countries view england as a germanic country?

[BillMC]

England is Germanic and it doesn't matter how other countries think. They are partially Celtic but the Germanic language and genetics took over. This is proven by culture and genetics. Wales and Ireland are Celtic because this is how they identify but I'm not sure about the Scots. I'm not sure whether the Scots identify as Celtic or if other people have assumed they are Germanic. In the world of the Anthroforum people claim the Scots as Germanics and the Irish and Welsh as somewhat alien and some super Celtic populations despite genetics showing that all the British Isles populations cluster together. Logic doesn't come into the equation.

I expect few of you will know the irony of this, but the English actually have more Celtic YDNA than either the Scots, Irish or Welsh. Go check it out on Eupedia's website at the R1b page - look for the R1b-U152 section. The original Celts were the Urnfield folk of central Europe. They never invaded the British Isles, but a few came and introduced us to the Iron Age and gave us the Celtic language. Most of the people of the British Isles are from the early Bronze Age and are represented by YDNA signature R1b-L21. The English and the Lowland Scots certainly do have a substantial Germanic DNA represented by R1b-U106. The Highland Scots and Irish have the highest levels of R1b-L21 along with some Norse YDNA from the Viking age, while the Welsh have the highest levels of Neolithic DNA. The Welsh can sometimes appear as more phenotypically darker than their English, Scottish or Irish counterparts due to having this high level of Neolithic DNA.

[Sarmale]

I think it's a blend of both "Celtic" and "Germanic" but more "Celtic". And I use quotes since even the Celts were not the first peoples and there were several waves of migration and settlement before them, going back to the Neolithic. So we tend to use Celt as a proxy for all that was there before the arrival of Germanic Anglo-Saxons and Vikings. If I'm not mistaken there were multiple waves of Indo-European arrivals from the Bell Beaker culture (which we don't have the language for), and then the Goidelic and Brythonic speakers.

[Grace O'Malley]

I expect few of you will know the irony of this, but the English actually have more Celtic YDNA than either the Scots, Irish or Welsh. Go check it out on Eupedia's website at the R1b page - look for the R1b-U152 section. The original Celts were the Urnfield folk of central Europe. They never invaded the British Isles, but a few came and introduced us to the Iron Age and gave us the Celtic language. Most of the people of the British Isles are from the early Bronze Age and are represented by YDNA signature R1b-L21. The English and the Lowland Scots certainly do have a substantial Germanic DNA represented by R1b-U106. The Highland Scots and Irish have the highest levels of R1b-L21 along with some Norse YDNA from the Viking age, while the Welsh have the highest levels of Neolithic DNA. The Welsh can sometimes appear as more phenotypically darker than their English, Scottish or Irish counterparts due to having this high level of Neolithic DNA.

It's known that the Southern English have more French IA.

We estimate that the ancestry of the present-day English ranges between 25% and 47% England EMA CNE-like, 11% and 57% England LIA-like and 14% and 43% France IA-like. There are substantial genetic differences between English regions (Fig. 5a), with less ancient continental ancestry (England EMA CNE or France IA related) evident in southwestern and northwestern England as well as along the Welsh borders (Fig. 5c). By contrast, we saw peaks in CNE-like ancestry of up to 47% for southeastern, eastern and central England, especially Sussex, the East Midlands and East Anglia. We found substantial France IA ancestry only in England, but not in Wales, Scotland or Ireland, following an east-to-west cline in Britain (Pearson’s |r| > 0.86), accounting for as much as 43% of the ancestry in East Anglia (Fig. 5d).

https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...regions%20(Fig.

[PlattitüdenPaule]

Yep.

[Karol Klačansky]

The English are more Germanic than South Germans, and Austrians.

where is the source

[BillMC]

It's known that the Southern English have more French IA.

Yes and the history books tell us that many Belgae settled in southern England before the Roman invasion. Tacitus, the 2nd century AD historian even claimed that the people of southern Britain were like the Gauls.