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    why are you national socialist and dont you think it is foreign to middle east, i mean the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMurican View Post
    why are you national socialist and dont you think it is foreign to middle east, i mean the idea.
    No, it isnt really alien. Baathism for example got its inspiration from fascism in Europe. Hell, to this day the followers of baathism still do the roman salute when singing the national party anthem:

    Yes, my dad is an official party member of the Baath party in Lebanon.

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    Dont you think National socialism (Baathism) will continue to fail in the Arab world because unlike NAZI germany, Arabs are still too disparate (religiously, ethnically, etc) and tribal to throw all their allegiance to a political party?

    What got NAZISM kicking in Germany was when the Junkers (I guess the germanic versions of Emirs) pledged allegiance to Nazism. They were seen as 'benevolent autocrats' ولی الأمر , and the German 'volk' obediently listen to their Emirs and all became Nazi, and believed in a shared identity + blood + etc... While Arabs today are talking about Levantine this Ovaltine that, death to Shias, death to Nusayris, etc.

    How can baathism work in such a splintered environment? Only one way...Saddam/Assad style thugocracies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    Dont you think National socialism (Baathism) will continue to fail in the Arab world because unlike NAZI germany, Arabs are still too disparate (religiously, ethnically, etc) and tribal to throw all their allegiance to a political party?

    What got NAZISM kicking in Germany was when the Junkers (I guess the germanic versions of Emirs) pledged allegiance to Nazism. They were seen as 'benevolent autocrats' ولی الأمر , and the German 'volk' obediently listen to their Emirs and all became Nazi, and believed in a shared identity + blood + etc... While Arabs today are talking about Levantine this Ovaltine that, death to Shias, death to Nusayris, etc.

    How can baathism work in such a splintered environment? Only one way...Saddam/Assad style thugocracies.
    Im not really interested in Pan-Arabism or anything, because as you said it fails miserably. I dislike Northern Levantines because they treated my people like crap(the syrian people are good though). I mean, the arabians in Jordan and Iraq helped my people a lot, while other arabs grovel to the west. Really, i see the iranians, arabians, kurds, egyptians, horners more close to me than other people. Im extremely disgusted on how we treated the kurds in Syria and Iraq to a point i want to puke, and really, its our fault in radicalizing the kurds in wanting their own seperate state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900 View Post
    Im not really interested in Pan-Arabism or anything, because as you said it fails miserably. I dislike Northern Levantines because they treated my people like crap(the syrian people are good though). I mean, the arabians in Jordan and Iraq helped my people a lot, while other arabs grovel to the west. Really, i see the iranians, arabians, kurds, egyptians, horners more close to me than other people. Im extremely disgusted on how we treated the kurds in Syria and Iraq to a point i want to puke, and really, its our fault in radicalizing the kurds in wanting their own seperate state.
    Kurds will become very rich soon, they have been bidding their time and suffered countless atrocities...and these atrocities, aswell as discrimination turned many of them into communists. Persecuted people always become attractd to communism, but when Kurdistan gets its country...it will become another Azerbaijan, a (relatively) rich Israeli/American client state. I support them in anycase...an Iraqi friend told me the best universities and private schools in Iraq are in Kurdistan/North Iraq, and they also have the most competent governments in their self ruled areas...which is why I support the Peshmerga

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    What do you think of the ongoing mistreatment of the Bedouins in the Mideast, and how to solve this problem? Bedouins are recognized ethnic group and genetics confirm that they are ethnic group not a lifestyle. Yet Bedouins are continually denied their culture and often forced to assimilate under the guise of modernization, which has caused a lot of anger among the Bedouins. How do see the relationship between the Bedouins in Palestine and abroad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabatea1 View Post
    What do you think of the ongoing mistreatment of the Bedouins in the Mideast, and how to solve this problem? Bedouins are recognized ethnic group and genetics confirm that they are ethnic group not a lifestyle. Yet Bedouins are continually denied their culture and often forced to assimilate under the guise of modernization, which has caused a lot of anger among the Bedouins. How do see the relationship between the Bedouins in Palestine and abroad?
    I don't see there are any problems between Bedouins and Levantines in Palestine, and each people has the right to live whatever they wish and identify their heritage without any fear of political or cultural reprisals. Well, the term Bedouin first came in ancient Egyptian texts describing the Canaanite nomads who keep trespassing Egypt's borders, though Bedouin these days refer to Arabian nomads of Arabia and elsewhere, and i don't think Bedouins are genetically all that different from other Arabians who aren't Bedouins like Yemenis, Omanis and etc. Well, in Kuwait, they do this sort of thing with its Bedouins as well, and its not restricted only in northern middle east, but i see what your saying. Well, the government should provide necessities whenever the Bedouins need them, but at the same time, the government should have policies in respecting Bedouin culture and lifestyle rather than forcing them to assimilate with the urban populations of the country they happen to be in. To be quite frank, i never did see discrimination in Syria when i first met the Shammari Bedouins there, and i did not see any conflict between ethnic Egyptians and the bedawi people in the Sinai when i was there with my family. In other words, the government is the one who are doing these discriminatory policies on the Bedouins not the people themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900 View Post
    I don't see there are any problems between Bedouins and Levantines in Palestine, and each people has the right to live whatever they wish and identify their heritage without any fear of political or cultural reprisals. Well, the term Bedouin first came in ancient Egyptian texts describing the Canaanite nomads who keep trespassing Egypt's borders, though Bedouin these days refer to Arabian nomads of Arabia and elsewhere, and i don't think Bedouins are genetically all that different from other Arabians who aren't Bedouins like Yemenis, Omanis and etc. Well, in Kuwait, they do this sort of thing with its Bedouins as well, and its not restricted only in northern middle east, but i see what your saying. Well, the government should provide necessities whenever the Bedouins need them, but at the same time, the government should have policies in respecting Bedouin culture and lifestyle rather than forcing them to assimilate with the urban populations of the country they happen to be in. To be quite frank, i never did see discrimination in Syria when i first met the Shammari Bedouins there, and i did not see any conflict between ethnic Egyptians and the bedawi people in the Sinai when i was there with my family. In other words, the government is the one who are doing these discriminatory policies on the Bedouins not the people themselves.
    The Bedouins have been one of the most marginalized ethnic groups in the Mideast. Heck they even tried to erase their tribal ideneties and sothey can assimilate them easily. There has been school which teaches that there is no such thing as Bedouins, and there not real ethnic group and that culture is inferior. However many young Bedouin boys and girls are taking pride for the first time in their Bedouin ancestry, and and there not hiding it. It's the government policies sure and not the people, though many people in those regions not so good. As for Kuwait, it's not Bedouins, but it's with Beedoins people who have not citizenship who came from various areas in the Mideast, their often mistaken with Bedouins but their not Bedouins. As for the other places it's not the people but it's indeed the government but sadly the government policies have influenced people's perception of the Bedouins, which often has kept them at marginalization. The situation is only different in Arabia and Jordan. In Jordan, Bedouin culture is appreciated and regarded in high esteem, and this because the Bedouin tribes consider themselves to be ethnic natives of the region. I think these nations should leave the Bedouins be, and stop aiming to assimilate them. If they want to modernize the Bedouins, they should it through the Bedouin way, but to many Bedouins this is not the goal, but the goal to assimilate them and leaving no Bedouin culture. However many people luckly are waking up and seeing the mistreatment of the Bedouins can't go on like this, and are speaking about it. If one needs to be respected, then they should respect others, because respect is not given but earned.
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