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    http://dna-explained.com/2013/12/26/...sova-admixture

    Denisovan gene flow in mainland Asia

    We used the two high-coverage archaic genomes and a hidden Markov model (HMM) to identify regions of specifically Neanderthal and specifically Denisovan ancestry in 13 experimentally phased present-day human genomes (Supplementary Information sections 4 and 13). In the Sardinian and French genomes from Europe we find genomic regions of Neanderthal origin and few or no regions of Denisovan origin. In contrast, in the Han Chinese, the Dai in southern China, and the Karitiana and Mixe in the Americas, we find, in addition to regions of Neanderthal origin, regions that are consistent with being of Denisovan origin (Zscore54.3 excess relative to the Europeans) (Supplementary Information section 13), in agreement with previous analysis based on low-coverage archaic genomes. These regions are also more closely related to the Denisova genome than the few regions identified in Europeans (Supplementary Information section 13). We estimate that the Denisovan contribution to mainland Asian and Native American populations is ,0.2% and thus about 25 times smaller than the Denisovan contribution to populations in Papua New Guinea and Australia. The failure to detect any larger Denisovan contribution in the genome of a 40,000-year-old modern human from the Beijing area suggests that any Denisovan contribution to modern humans in mainland Asia was always quantitatively small. In fact, we cannot, at the moment, exclude that the Denisovan contribution to people across mainland Asia is owing to gene flow from ancestors of present-day people in Oceania after they mixed with Denisovans. We also note that in addition to this Denisovan contribution, the genomes of the populations in Asia and America appear to contain more regions of Neanderthal origin than populations in Europe (Supplementary Information sections 13 and 14).
    The fascinating part of this, aside from the fact that Native people also carry both Denisovan and Neanderthal DNA, and that they carry more than Europeans, is that the Denisovan and Neanderthal DNA that they carry is different than that carried by Europeans. In fact, it appears that not all Europeans carry Denisovan DNA and this paper lowers the estimated percentage of Neanderthal for all Europeans.

    This difference in the Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA might be able to help solve a long-standing mystery, and that’s whether or not part of the Native population of the Eastern seaboard, and in particular, the far Northeast part of that region, was populated by or admixed with Europeans long before the time of Columbus and other European pre-colonial explorers. This information, of course would have to come from pre-contact burials, but they do exist and with this new information in hand, they might just yield answers never before available.
    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle-x ------------------ McDonald results
    Spanish_Galicia 43.35% ------------------ Spain - 42.3%
    North_Amerindian 14.83% -----------French - 19.9%
    Spanish_Extremadura 8.70% --------Maya - 16.1%
    Bantu_S.E. 8.62% ------------- Moroccan - 13.9%
    Algerian 5.98% --------------------- Yoruba - 7.8%
    Portuguese 4.68%
    Orcadian 4.15%

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    Dr. Ricki Lewis, in her DNA Science Blog, mentioned something else quite interesting culled from a Christmas Day issue of Nature titled “Sequence variants in SLC16A11 are a common risk factor for type 2 diabetes in Mexico.” In a nutshell, from article introduction, we find this commentary:

    “The risk haplotype carries four amino acid substitutions, all in SLC16A11; it is present at ~50% frequency in Native American samples and ~10% in east Asian, but is rare in European and African samples. Analysis of an archaic genome sequence indicated that the risk haplotype introgressed into modern humans via admixture with Neanderthals.”

    Ricki extrapolated on this further:

    “Researchers determine the degree to which a mutant gene differs from the most common sequence (wild type), then impose a time scale in the form of known mutation rates. The SLC16A11 five-site haplotype is so divergent that it goes back to nearly 800,000 years ago — before our ancestors expanded out of Africa.

    The most plausible explanation, unexpected I suspect, seemed to be that the haplotype came from an archaic human – a Neanderthal or Denisovan or their as-yet unnamed contemporaries. And the haplotype indeed shows up in the skeleton of a Neanderthal found in the Denisovan cave in Siberia.”

    And so, it seems that the Native American people today indeed inherited their propensity for type 2 diabetes from their ancient Neanderthal ancestors who lived in the Altai Mountains. It also appears that this genetic predisposition did not carry forward to Europe, if indeed this group of Neanderthals was ancestral to Europeans at all.
    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle-x ------------------ McDonald results
    Spanish_Galicia 43.35% ------------------ Spain - 42.3%
    North_Amerindian 14.83% -----------French - 19.9%
    Spanish_Extremadura 8.70% --------Maya - 16.1%
    Bantu_S.E. 8.62% ------------- Moroccan - 13.9%
    Algerian 5.98% --------------------- Yoruba - 7.8%
    Portuguese 4.68%
    Orcadian 4.15%

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    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle-x ------------------ McDonald results
    Spanish_Galicia 43.35% ------------------ Spain - 42.3%
    North_Amerindian 14.83% -----------French - 19.9%
    Spanish_Extremadura 8.70% --------Maya - 16.1%
    Bantu_S.E. 8.62% ------------- Moroccan - 13.9%
    Algerian 5.98% --------------------- Yoruba - 7.8%
    Portuguese 4.68%
    Orcadian 4.15%

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    All non-Africans have Neanderthal genes to some degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhaoyun View Post
    All non-Africans have Neanderthal genes to some degree.
    I just wanted to show the extent in went into Native Americans. And it showed that Natives of the Americas had MORE Neanderthal DNA but it also showed the DNA carried was different. Theres a lot to explore here genetically.
    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle-x ------------------ McDonald results
    Spanish_Galicia 43.35% ------------------ Spain - 42.3%
    North_Amerindian 14.83% -----------French - 19.9%
    Spanish_Extremadura 8.70% --------Maya - 16.1%
    Bantu_S.E. 8.62% ------------- Moroccan - 13.9%
    Algerian 5.98% --------------------- Yoruba - 7.8%
    Portuguese 4.68%
    Orcadian 4.15%

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    There were different types of Neanderthals, as we now know. It would seem the Natives were admixed with a different race of Neanderthals than the Europeans were, indicating that there were multiple admixture events at different places and times.

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    I don't know much about native americans but I've noticed some northern native americans have the most unreduced neanderthal features I've seen. Ever.

    This guy really looks like a purebred neanderthal.

    Notice his very short sloping forehead, very long lower face, long protruding nose, wide mouth and very thin lips.
    They're very intresting people, too bad pretty much all individuals who look like the man above are dead.



    South american amerindians, however, show pretty much the opposite of neanderthal features. This guy below doesn't even look like he's the same race as the guy above, their facial structure look pretty much as different as that of a Kongolese and a Frenchman. I think we know very, very little about the different ancestral groups of native americans.
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    interesting also blood type distribution of certain groups. Vast majority of nearly "pure" to "pure" natives are type O+, but there are seemingly 'random' (not so much) instances of populations with exception- such as the Blackfoot indians of the southwest U.S who have a lot of "A". "B", however, was utterly 100% absent from Native Americans.

    Most latinos to this day are still O+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhaoyun View Post
    All non-Africans have Neanderthal genes to some degree.
    True, although there's evidence that people in parts of central and west Africa interbred with an unknown hominid.


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    Have you people seen the 'denisovan tooth'. It is extremely large compared to any modern or ancient hominins. So far what we have from denisovans is a finger bone and that tooth. But from that tooth alone there's a good reason to speculate that at least the skull must have been enormous.


    South american amerindians, however, show pretty much the opposite of neanderthal features. This guy below doesn't even look like he's the same race as the guy above, their facial structure look pretty much as different as that of a Kongolese and a Frenchman. I think we know very, very little about the different ancestral groups of native americans.
    These have been very small populations where due founder effects certain features can decrease/increase very rapidly. There's also a lot of variation in South America, there are fex people like the Andeans known for their prominent nose, or Selk'nam from the Land of Fire, a more cold adapted folk with higher noses (yes also Inuits belong to this posse). The Amazonians are ofc tropically adapted, hence the broader flatter noses.

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