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    Default Turkish speakers help!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasur...entmikl%C3%B3s

    Help me decode this language. Found in:



    The language is Turkic of some kind but written in Greek. Either Hunnic, Bulgar or Avar, no one has been able to decipher it. Maybe some Turks here can help me!

    The back of the bowl:



    The front:



    Original text:

    † BOYHΛA • ZOAΠAN • TEΣH • ΔYΓΕTOIΓH • BOYTAOYΛ • ZΩAΠAN • TAΓPOΓH • HTZIΓH • TAIΣH

    English sounds:

    † bouēla • zoapan • tesē • dugetoigē • boutaoul • zōapan • tagrogē • ētzigē • taisē

    My translation using modern Turkish:

    bouēla zoapan tas takat boutaoul zōapan takmak eza tas

    English translation:

    Buyla Zupan bowl power Butaul zupan wear cavalry bowl

    One thing to note, the -igē -ogē at the end of the words seem to be non-Turkic but instead some proto-Slavic addition. I ignore them.

    Buyla

    See also: Boyar
    It is generally agreed that the first word is the Turkic title buyla or boyla (also spelled boila[48]) which is attested on several Old Turkic and Danube Bulgar inscriptions[49][50] and also mentioned by some 9th and 10th centuries Byzantine authors.[49][51] Some scholars proposed that Buyla should be read as a personal name in this text.[2][49]

    Butaul

    Butaul is usually read as a personal name.[2][52][53] It may be interpreted as "son of Buta" with the final -ul being a development of the Turkic oğul = "son".[52][54] This etymology was challenged based on the observation that according to the predominant model of construction of Turkic patronymics, the possessive forms oğlu or oğli are expected.[52][55] Based on the names attested on Old Turkic inscriptions, Erdal posited the reading But Aul.[52]

    Zoapan

    See also: Župan
    In 1900, Karl Brugmann derived the Common Slavic *županъ from župa "district, small administrative region",[56] an etymology that was accepted by many linguists.[57] However, others suggested the opposite evolution: župa as a back formation from župan, a title brought from Central Asia to Eastern Europe by Avars and Bulgars.[58][57][52] One hypothesis assumes an Iranian origin, from the etymon *fsu-pāna- that evolved to šubān in Parthian and šupān and šubān in Persian; all these words meaning "shepherd".[57][59] The 11th century scholar Mahmud al-Kashgari recorded the Middle Turkic word čupan denoting a minor official, which was considered evidence for a borrowing from Iranian to Turkic languages.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyla_inscription
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    You can't use Oghuz to decipher Oghuric languages like Avar or Bulgar. The best would be to use a Chuvash, as they have done with the Khazar language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabatea1 View Post
    You can't use Oghuz to decipher Oghuric languages like Avar or Bulgar. The best would be to use a Chuvash, as they have done with the Khazar language.
    Wrong! Turkic languages are not all that different from each-other:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hayalet View Post
    The Oghuric branch is not that different from other Turkic languages. Chuvash to Turkish is like English to German.

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    tas meaning bowl and takat meaning power are both loanwords from Arabic in Turkish.

    On the other hand, bouēla sounds very much like böyle to me, which is an adverb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d3cimat3d View Post
    Wrong! Turkic languages are not all that different from each-other:



    If Linguists can't decipher it, I doubt some random guys on a forum could.....

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