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    I find many "language trees" to be suspicious. For example, Finnish and Hungarian are nothing alike (except for agglutination, which also occurs in Turkish and Japanese), how the heck are they in the same family? Turkic and Mongolian seem more similar to be frank.
    Hungarian is Uralic Language, it is certain. But Finnish belong to Finno-Ugric > Finnic branch, Hungarian belong to Ugric branch. Because of this a little different. Like Indo-Europen Languages, for example Indian Language and Norvegian are closer? Or very similar? Or Persian and Icelandic? No. Becasue there are branch difference, it is normal. In Turkic Languages and Mongolic Languages there are only loan words, not related languages.

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    Mongol -Turkish

    bi = ben
    chi= sen
    ter = o
    biz= bid
    bizler= bidnar
    olar=ednar

    plurality suffix ler ,lar --> nar

    Some words

    tea is chai (çay ) tsai
    whole is butun, --> buten MGL
    heart is jurekh (yürek) , zurh MGL
    sütlü çay : tsutei tsai
    flower in çiçek ---> inner Mongolia sounds CHECHEG, outer Mongolia tsetseg
    salt= tuz ---> davs=dovz MGL

    the more old words r more closer, like colours , animals, even body

    examples ,source :Shinjian Altay Hoton Mongol friend

    I joined an online Mgl lesson on skype but it didn't start yet .But videos on you tube convinced me this is the easiest language we can learn as a foreign language ,if you can find a teacher ofcourse

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    bi = ben
    chi= sen
    ter = o
    It is only coincidence. For exapmle in Laz Language ma mean "i" like other Turkic Languages men "i", and in Laz Languafe si means "you", similar Turkish sen "you". Turkish and Lazish not related languages. For example in Finnish minä "i" like Turkic men, sinä "you" like Turkic sen but Turkish and Finnish not related too. In Mongolian thera are another "you" ta, and Mongolian ta like Persian du "you"... It is only coincidence... Mongolian ter and Turkic o it is not similar obviously... But Finnish hän means "he/she/it" like Old Turkic an "he/she/it" but it is coincidence too...

    biz= bid
    bizler= bidnar
    olar=ednar
    In Mongolian ted means "they" not ednar. Turkish biz and Mongolian bid only similar, not related. For example in Greek emis means "we" like Turkish biz , in Greek esis means "you" similar Turkish siz "you" but this is only coincidence too Not related... For example in Korean mal means "language" and Norwegian mal means "language" too, this is only coincidence.

    tea is chai (çay ) tsai
    whole is butun, --> buten MGL
    heart is jurekh (yürek) , zurh MGL
    sütlü çay : tsutei tsai
    flower in çiçek ---> inner Mongolia sounds CHECHEG, outer Mongolia tsetseg
    salt= tuz ---> davs=dovz MGL
    Turkish çay = Mongolian tsai = Persian chay = Kurdish chay = Arabic shay = Japanese ocha... all of them came from < Chinese cha, it is loan word. And in Europian language tea Chinese too came from te, another Chinese dialect.

    Bütün is Turkic > loan to Mongolian büten it is not Mongolic
    Yürek is Oğuz, Kıpçak Jürek > loan to Mongolian zürkh it is loan too, not Mongolic. For example in Türkish çene (chene) means "chin" and like English chin because is Persian origin chene. And Persian chene and English chin are cognate. Çene is loan not Turkic. Like this, zürkh are not Mongolic, it is Türkic.
    Çiçek "flower" is Türkis too > loan to Mongolian be checheg, it is not mongolic too. For example we say gül "rose" in Türkish but gül is not Turkic, came from Persian gul "flower 2. rose"... like this, checheg is Turkic, not Mongolic.
    Turkish tuz and Mongolian davs not very similar i think. It is only a bit similar. It can be some similarities languages, for example Turkish dip means "bottom, sub" etc. it's sound like English deep, but English deep and Turkish dip not related, it is only a bir similar by coincidence... Like Korean mal and Norwegian mal...
    And, Old Turkic süüt means "milk" > loan to Mongolian be süü, it is loan too, not Mongolic. Mongolian language have %45 Turkic loan words, and have some Turkic suffix, but there are not cognate, there are loans. Turkish also have some Persian and Arabic loan words, because of this are Turkish related Arabic or Persian? Of course; No Like this, Turkic languages and Mongolic languages not related. All Turkic basic words and Mongolic basic words different, for examples numbers etc.

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    this map is horse crap

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    Disn't know North east Spain spoke an Afro-Asiatic Lingo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusos View Post


    Disn't know North east Spain spoke an Afro-Asiatic Lingo.


    there should be a bunch of immigrants from North Africa

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKYNET View Post
    there should be a bunch of immigrants from North Africa
    It must be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusos View Post


    Disn't know North east Spain spoke an Afro-Asiatic Lingo.
    Now you do
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    Quote Originally Posted by tngz View Post
    It is only coincidence. For exapmle in Laz Language ma mean "i" like other Turkic Languages men "i", and in Laz Languafe si means "you", similar Turkish sen "you". Turkish and Lazish not related languages. For example in Finnish minä "i" like Turkic men, sinä "you" like Turkic sen but Turkish and Finnish not related too. In Mongolian thera are another "you" ta, and Mongolian ta like Persian du "you"... It is only coincidence... Mongolian ter and Turkic o it is not similar obviously... But Finnish hän means "he/she/it" like Old Turkic an "he/she/it" but it is coincidence too...



    in Mongolian ted means "they" not ednar. Turkish biz and Mongolian bid only similar, not related. For example in Greek emis means "we" like Turkish biz , in Greek esis means "you" similar Turkish siz "you" but this is only coincidence too Not related... For example in Korean mal means "language" and Norwegian mal means "language" too, this is only coincidence.



    Turkish çay = Mongolian tsai = Persian chay = Kurdish chay = Arabic shay = Japanese ocha... all of them came from < Chinese cha, it is loan word. And in Europian language tea Chinese too came from te, another Chinese dialect.

    Bütün is Turkic > loan to Mongolian büten it is not Mongolic
    Yürek is Oğuz, Kıpçak Jürek > loan to Mongolian zürkh it is loan too, not Mongolic. For example in Türkish çene (chene) means "chin" and like English chin because is Persian origin chene. And Persian chene and English chin are cognate. Çene is loan not Turkic. Like this, zürkh are not Mongolic, it is Türkic.
    Çiçek "flower" is Türkis too > loan to Mongolian be checheg, it is not mongolic too. For example we say gül "rose" in Türkish but gül is not Turkic, came from Persian gul "flower 2. rose"... like this, checheg is Turkic, not Mongolic.
    Turkish tuz and Mongolian davs not very similar i think. It is only a bit similar. It can be some similarities languages, for example Turkish dip means "bottom, sub" etc. it's sound like English deep, but English deep and Turkish dip not related, it is only a bir similar by coincidence... Like Korean mal and Norwegian mal...
    And, Old Turkic süüt means "milk" > loan to Mongolian be süü, it is loan too, not Mongolic. Mongolian language have %45 Turkic loan words, and have some Turkic suffix, but there are not cognate, there are loans. Turkish also have some Persian and Arabic loan words, because of this are Turkish related Arabic or Persian? Of course; No Like this, Turkic languages and Mongolic languages not related. All Turkic basic words and Mongolic basic words different, for examples numbers etc.

    loan words can travel from one language to another but not the grammar structure
    may be, by learning the language, we can experience that similarities ourselves
    Esp for me a language i can learn in short time and can speak with a proper accent ( not a weird accent the way i use when i m speaking English ) is something I yearn.. That is the main reason I choose relative languages ..I am fed up with languages with weird grammar ,upside down sentence structure ,hard phonology,impossible alphabeth , arbitrary spelling etc.
    Plus Mongols who learn Turkish speak it very well ,sounds almost native speaker but a Serbian or German who lived more than 20 years in Turkey still speaks a broken Turkish. Practical life means a lot more than those linguistsic ideas and theories .
    so i m going to give a try

    n Mongolian ted means "they" not ednar.
    that examples are given from an Ovor Mongol friend from Southern Mongolia
    ..I ll ask him.He also says Kalmuk Mongol is more similar to Turk /Kıpçak speeches.
    both in Turkish and Mongolian mal means livestock
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusos View Post


    Disn't know North east Spain spoke an Afro-Asiatic Lingo.

    You should have looked properly man the color is brown instead of Orange. That area is French Basque country.


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