The place of the Armenian language in the Indo-European family

[d3cimat3d]

A very interesting talk at the Library of Congress making a good case for a Greek-Phrygian-Armenian clade within the Indo-European family.

Of course the testimony of Herodotus is -at least for me- the most convincing argument for an ultimately Balkan origin of the Phrygo-Armenians.

Modern Armenians are quite distinct from modern populations of the Balkans but who knows how both they and the populations of the Balkans have changed since the beginning of the Iron Age when the Phrygians established themselves in Asia Minor? The recent study by Hellenthal et al. did not find any good evidence for recent admixture in Armenians but this might be due to (i) Armenians being unmixed descendants of Proto-Armenians, (ii) Armenians being near-unmixed descendants of pre-Armenians, or (iii) the method not having enough power to detect admixture.

My guess is that the relative remoteness of the Armenian highlands coupled with the heterodox position of the Armenian church hindered substantial gene flow into the Armenian population over at least the last 1,500 years.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2014/03...e-in-indo.html



I don't have time to watch it but Dienekes' wrote a summary on it.

[wvwvw]

Old Armenian share some traits with two centum languages, Phrygian and Greek. However, archaic Armenian was exposed first to Luwian and then to various Iranic languages which probably resulted its 'saturation'. The contact with Iranic languages, must have caused its satemization.

[Skerdilaid]

Interesting, Greek and Armenian were believed to be close to each other for some time, but now they are connecting it with Phrygian. The Indo-European tree seem to have changed a bit too, they have now the Balkanic branch which belongs to the East on the family tree, and in the Balkanic branch the East includes Greek-Aremenian-Phrygian, and in the West Albanian on it's own.

We seem to be the loan wolf in the Indo-European family.

[wvwvw]

Interesting, Greek and Armenian were believed to be close to each other for some time, but now they are connecting it with Phrygian. The Indo-European tree seem to have changed a bit too, they have now the Balkanic branch which belongs to the East on the family tree, and in the Balkanic branch the East includes Greek-Aremenian-Phrygian, and in the West Albanian on it's own.

We seem to be the loan wolf in the Indo-European family.

Well not exactly as you mean it. Greek, Armenian, Phrygian were close to each other in the sense that they were IE-languages that entered balkans in the same period. But similarities end there.

Armenian is in fact closer to Iranic languages and share more similarities with Albanian than Greek (both Satem languages)

[Skerdilaid]

Well not exactly as you mean it. Greek, Armenian, Phrygian were close to each other in the sense that they were IE-languages that entered balkans in the same period. But similarities end there.

Armenian is in fact closer to Iranic languages and share more similarities with Albanian than Greek (both Satem languages)

Watch the video, and listen to what linguists have to say, if you don't take my word for it.

Greek-Armenian-Phrygian now are believed to have been one language while Albanian is in the same branch but separate from the three mentioned languages. Armenian has borrowed quite a lot from Iranian, close to 40%, but the base of the language is still on the Balkanic branch related to Greek and Phrygian.

Also, the comparison is done with the Classical Armenian, and not with the modern language.

[wvwvw]

Watch the video, and listen to what linguists have to say, if you don't take my word for it.

Greek-Armenian-Phrygian now are believed to have been one language while Albanian is in the same branch but separate from the three mentioned languages. Armenian has borrowed quite a lot from Iranian, close to 40%, but the base of the language is still on the Balkanic branch related to Greek and Phrygian.

Also, the comparison is done with the Classical Armenian, and not with the modern language.

Bullcrap. Even old Armenian had very little in common with Ancient Greek. With the same logic Greek was once the "same" language as German. In fact all IE languages started off as one language. [The language ancestors of Greeks, Armenians and Phrygians entered the Balkans around 3500 B.C. (thousand of years before Illyrians)]

[Skerdilaid]

Bullcrap. Even old Armenian had very little in common with Ancient Greek. With the same logic Greek was once the "same" language as German. In fact all IE languages was the "same" one PIE language.

Lol, ok I won't bother with you on that, you will have to take it with the linguists, and not with me

True, but Armenian-Phrygian-Greek are in a similar position as for example the Romance languages, except their split predates the Romance languages split for more then 2000 years.

I don't see what Illyrian has to do with this, it's not even included in the discussion, except few similarities that are mentioned in the video that Albanian has with Greek and Armenian.