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    US doesn't usually reveal craft til they have had then 20+ years unless it uses all old tech. The f 35 JSF actually has less tech than the older f 22, they created it to have something to sell to US allies that were not 100% trusted (I think there's only 2-3 that get full trust status and it's not english or french because they are spying douchebags).

    Google project aurora or project paladin if you want some idea of what the really next gen US stuff is like, though I don't know if they will ever produce it full scale since everything keeps climbing in price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acquisitor View Post
    Looks like a copy to me, considering the enormous Russian lag in electronics, I can only wonder how it can be superior to the original.
    physics and aerodynamics are same everywhere...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acquisitor View Post
    Kalashnikov himself admitted some time before his death that he and the team were idd inspired by the STG44. They also used help of the German engineers to design it.
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    "Generally accepted as the world's first assault rifle, the StG44's effect on post-war arms design was wide-ranging, as evidenced by Mikhail Kalashnikov's AK-47, and later in the U.S. M16 and its variants. The Soviet Union was quick to adopt the assault rifle concept. The AK-47 used a similar-sized intermediate round and followed the design concept, but was mechanically very different"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Soviet fighters were always better than American ones.
    Not according to Top Gun


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    Quote Originally Posted by glasses View Post
    link?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44
    "Generally accepted as the world's first assault rifle, the StG44's effect on post-war arms design was wide-ranging, as evidenced by Mikhail Kalashnikov's AK-47, and later in the U.S. M16 and its variants. The Soviet Union was quick to adopt the assault rifle concept. The AK-47 used a similar-sized intermediate round and followed the design concept, but was mechanically very different"

    you disapointed me once again, everything anti-russian you take very easy, even if it comes from some (obviously stupid) gypsy
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    Легендарный российский конструктор создал знаменитый АК-47, работая на одном заводе со знаменитым оружейником Гитлера

    Великий конструктор Михаил Калашников признался, что сразу после войны в Ижевске работал вместе с Хюго Шмайссером, лучшим оружейником Третьего рейха. И тот оказался причастен к созданию самого популярного автомата в мире - АК-47. Советы немецкого конструктора помогли Калашникову решить проблему холодной штамповки деталей.

    - Шмайссер попал в Ижевск сразу после войны, - рассказывает историк Алексей Коробейников. - Город Зуль, в котором он жил, оказался в советской зоне оккупации, и Шмайссеру, а также другим инженерам и конструкторам «предложили» переехать на несколько лет на Урал. Особый поезд с немецкими специалистам прибыл в столицу российских оружейников 24 октября 1946 года. В точности оценить вклад Шмайссера в разработку автомата Калашникова сложно, так как официальные документы по их работе не доступны историкам и до сих пор засекречены, а сам Хюго не оставил мемуаров, раскрывающих детали его работы в СССР. Шмайссер говорил о том периоде скупо: «Дал русским несколько советов».
    Сравнение двух автоматов

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    Немецкий конструктор оставил о себе в Ижевске лишь несколько писем и фотографий. Дом, в котором жили германские оружейники, находится сейчас в аварийном состоянии, и в нем никто не живет.

    - Сохранились письма Шмайссера, которые он писал в Министерство обороны СССР, - рассказал старший научный сотрудник музея Калашникова в Ижевске Александр Ермаков. - Эти письма - единственные известные письменные источники, которые были доступны в архивах. Конструктор жалуется в них на бытовые условия, просит увеличить зарплату и разрешить съездить в отпуск на родину. А Михаил Тимофеевич Калашников приехал в Ижевск в 1948 году, для внедрения сконструированной им модели АК-47 в производство на Ижмаше. Поэтому говорить о том, что Калашников «передрал» конструкцию у немцев, нет оснований. Но то, что Шмайссер и Калашников встречались на производстве, это точно. Он помогал осваивать новое оборудование и внедрять технологические процессы для серийного производства автомата.

    Сравнение

    Автомат Хуго Шмайссера STG 44 визуально очень похож на АК-47.

    - Сравнительное внешнее сходство автоматов основано на примерно одинаковых принципах работы, - говорит историк Ермаков. - Но сравнение внутренней конструкции и деталей говорит о том, что автоматы очень разные. К тому же Калашников начал разрабатывать свой автомат уже в 43 году, а в 46-м его образец уже проходил испытания. Так что приписывать нацистам создание прототипа АК-47 было бы ошибкой.

    Но отвергать вклад немцев в запуск «калаша» в серию нельзя.

    - Шмайссер занимался в Ижевске технологией холодной штамповки до 1952 года, - говорит Коробейников. - И заслуга в запуске в серию штампованного магазина и ствольной коробки принадлежит в значительной части именно ему.

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    I just woke up and I need to go soon, there is more info on that to be found, this was the first link that caught my eye, I admit I didn't read it til the end, I'm short on time.

    I will post more when I'm back tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    No doubt T-50 will be fine piece of machinery IF it ever gets to production. Currently the number of T-50's in service is BIG FAT 0. Only few prototypes exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hweinlant View Post
    No doubt T-50 will be fine piece of machinery IF it ever gets to production. Currently the number of T-50's in service is BIG FAT 0. Only few prototypes exist.
    2016 it will be ready, and what does you finland have? Nothing, same for the rest of europe. I am really wondering what the french and germans will buy in the end, either way its gonna be the expensive f 35 or if they are smart they buy the t 50 which will be much cheaper and superior to the f35.

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