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    Quote Originally Posted by Also View Post
    I didn't 'see' them literally, I read reports about american doctors talking about it and pediatricians who deal with pregnancies. Cases where the mother's life are at risk are very rare. For example:


    "Protection of the life of the mother as an excuse for an abortion is a smoke screen. In my 36 years of pediatric surgery, I have never known of one instance where the child had to be aborted to save the mother's life. If toward the end of the pregnancy complications arise that threaten the mother's health, the doctor will induce labor or perform a Caesarean section. His intention is to save the life of both the mother and the baby. The baby's life is never willfully destroyed because the mother's life is in danger."
    - C. Everett Koop
    Are you saying there's never any cases of ectopic pregnancies?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Rose View Post
    Are you saying there's never any cases of ectopic pregnancies?!
    How did you conclude that? I am saying they are very rare and we should not judge the abortion discussion based on very atypical cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Also View Post
    It may be easier, but it doesn't mean I am not right. Which is the only thing that concerns me.

    Just like it is easy to judge murderers and rapists without having been through their exact situation.
    It's right for the person in the situation who has been raped rather than living with a constant reminder and trauma of that rape and having their life, marriage, career, studies, etc, affected even more by a child born from a rape attack. It's right in the case of malformed fetuses rather than letting them develop and suffer, and it's right in the case where there is an ectopic pregnancy and a risk to the females life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Rose View Post
    It's right for the person in the situation who has been raped rather than living with a constant reminder and trauma of that rape and having their life, marriage, career, studies, etc, affected even more by a child born from a rape attack. It's right in the case of malformed fetuses rather than letting them develop and suffer, and it's right in the case where there is an ectopic pregnancy and a risk to the females life.
    You are making declarative statements without arguments, so I'll answer in a similar manner.

    Not in my opinion, if I could make abortion illegal here in cases of pregnancy caused by rape I'd do it without a second thought. The same thing for malformed fetuses.
    Unless the life's mother is at stake (which is very rare as I said) there isn't anything to discuss for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Also View Post
    How did you conclude that? I am saying they are very rare and we should not judge the abortion discussion based on very atypical cases.
    I'm looking at actual figures from reputable sources rather than your biased guesswork.

    There's around 11,000 cases of ectopic pregnancies each year in the UK (around 1 in every 90 pregnancies,) but the actual figure is believed to be even higher.
    http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Ectopic...roduction.aspx

    The first post in this thread reports 15,000 abortions were done in one year in the UK which is a very small percentage of the 63 million total population. If 11,000 ectopic pregnancies happen each year in the UK, then that could indicate the reason for most of the abortions in order to save the mothers life. I don't know how many pregnancies result from rape attacks each year in the UK, nor how many cases of spina bifida that are discovered in scans annually in the UK which result in people opting for an abortion rather than having a child with serious deformities, but people can look up the figures.

    I've seen articles in magazines about people who were devastated because they lost their baby to an ectopic pregnancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by English Rose View Post
    I'm looking at actual figures from reputable sources rather than your biased guesswork.

    There's around 11,000 cases of ectopic pregnancies each year in the UK (around 1 in every 90 pregnancies,) but the actual figure is believed to be even higher.
    http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Ectopic...roduction.aspx

    The first post in this thread reports 15,000 abortions were done in one year in the UK which is a very small percentage of the 63 million total population. If 11,000 ectopic pregnancies happen each year in the UK, then that could indicate the reason for most of the abortions in order to save the mothers life. I don't know how many pregnancies result from rape attacks each year in the UK, nor how many cases of spina bifida that are discovered in scans annually in the UK, but people can look up the figures.

    I've seen articles in magazines about people who were devastated because they lost their baby to an ectopic pregnancy.
    The Telegraph article doesn't state that 15,500 was the total number of abortions realized in the UK, this is only the number for the incinerated remains, and the lowest bound since it says 'at least'. The total number of abortions is probably many times higher.

    "There were 202,577 abortions carried out in Great Britain in 2013, of which 94% took place in England and Wales and 6% took place in Scotland"

    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...Wales_2013.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Also View Post
    The Telegraph article doesn't state that 15,500 was the total number of abortions realized in the UK, this is only the number for the incinerated remains, and the lowest bound since it says 'at least'. The total number of abortions is probably many times higher.

    "There were 202,577 abortions carried out in Great Britain in 2013, of which 94% took place in England and Wales and 6% took place in Scotland"

    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...Wales_2013.pdf
    And how many of those abortions were due to health concerns such as spina bifida, pregnancies from rapes, teen pregnancies, ectopic pregnancies? You want to judge and condemn people without taking into consideration the reasons for the abortions.

    England probably has a higher percentage of pregnancies each year than Scotland anyway.

    This report by the Scotland Herald states that Scotland has the second highest rate of teenage abortions in the world. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...world.19138671

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maleficent View Post
    And here I thought there might have been a glimmer of humanity within the murderers known as abortionists, and that they at least have some sort of funeral or cremation for those poor innocent fetuses. But this....this is sickening!
    Brits are known to have the highest incidence of abortion in Europe. Even that official numbers that are likely to be understated are terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Also View Post
    We are talking about human remains being incinerated and used to creat heat energy as if it was wood. This violates any respect for the dead and human bodies.
    Just like bodies of dead soldiers who can't be claimed, are incinerated or put into mass graves.

    It's not ideal indeed, but what do you propose to do with them?

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