White British Islamic terrorist

**dralos** · 04-19-2014, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Incal

LOL. Well, he's already been punished.

its not like the bitchez in peru are any better amigo

**Iron Sheik** · 04-19-2014, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by dralos

its not like the bitchez in peru are any better amigo

Why this uncalled for trolling? He is essentially agreeing with you.

**Catkin** · 04-19-2014, 09:33 AM

Yeah, he's a traitor. I don't care who his wife is or what religion he chooses to follow, but when he turns against and plots to kill his own people he's a traitor. I suppose he'd attempt to justify it by saying they aren't his people anymore, and that's true.

**Iron Sheik** · 04-19-2014, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Catkin

Yeah, he's a traitor. I don't care who his wife is or what religion he chooses to follow, but when he turns against and plots to kill his own people he's a traitor. I suppose he'd attempt to justify it by saying they aren't his people anymore, and that's true.

What did he betray though?

**Catkin** · 04-19-2014, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Blackscarred

What did he betray though?

His country, where he was born and grew up, his ancestors, his history, probably many of his old friends and his family. Everyone that has been kind or good to him here over the years. It's just wrong.

**Iron Sheik** · 04-19-2014, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Catkin

His country, where he was born and grew up, his ancestors, his history, probably many of his old friends and his family. Everyone that has been kind or good to him here over the years. It's just wrong.

we might all see ourselves as a part of a collective... but we act individually. Believe it or not, in some warped way, via his own morals... he was doing the right thing, perhaps he was even trying to save his family and people and country, by wanting them to become salafists like himself and his group. All belief-system and ideologies follow a good cause, an ideal. See we all have identities, memories, imagery and essential components we orient ourselves by. Those conceptions don't necessarily coincide from individual to individuals. So in a sense he's not a traitor, he has another vision.

**Prisoner Of Ice** · 04-19-2014, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Blackscarred

we might all see ourselves as a part of a collective... but we act individually. Believe it or not, in some warped way, via his own morals... he was doing the right thing, perhaps he was even trying to save his family and people and country, by wanting them to become salafists like himself and his group. All belief-system and ideologies follow a good cause, an ideal. See we all have identities, memories, imagery and essential components we orient ourselves by. Those conceptions don't neccesarily concide from individual to individuals. So in a sense he's not a traitor.

Well it is treacherous to try to force his own people to a crazy religious jihad agenda and murder soldiers. That's the definition of treachery.

If he were in Iraq and wanted to kill off americans who were there it would be another story.

Not to say the politicians are not traitors too but their main fault is how easily they let these foreign influences come in. And they are cowardly as well, if they want to fight fight honestly, don't sneak into a place you don't belong and stab locals in the back like a punk ass bitch.

**Iron Sheik** · 04-19-2014, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Well it is treacherous to try to force his own people to a crazy religious jihad agenda and murder soldiers. That's the definition of treachery.

Well, that's a essentially a subjective thing. In his perspective... he was doing the right thing, perhaps even towards his nation. Treachery in a sense is a part of the abstraction conceptualizations we have. Reality is everyone has their interests and persuasions.

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Not to say the politicians are not traitors too but their main fault is how easily they let these foreign influences come in. And they are cowardly as well, if they want to fight fight honestly, don't sneak into a place you don't belong and stab locals in the back like a punk ass bitch.

Well it really started with globalization, everyone trying to influence everyone, in each direction. Which started a long-time ago. But became very marked in the 19th century. Who is fighting who/what? If you mean salafists... they're just fighting the other side of the coin on this conflict. And their strategies make sense. It's an ideological conflict between neo-conservative movements and salafists. So much is clear.