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    Quote Originally Posted by idiot article in OP
    Conrad is incomparably better than Morrison could ever dream of being. But if you say that you will be accused of male, white, Anglo-Saxon prejudice."
    He was a Polish SLAV! GAH!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post
    He was a Polish SLAV! GAH!!!!!!!!
    Somehow, I think Murray knows this. It was either a slip or he was just saying what the common response would be about that evaluation. (All you honkies be the same lookin' anyway.) And he's right about Conrad. Polish Power!!
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    "For it is by no means the case that only those who believe in God could possibly have a vested interest in the question of His existence."
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    "Our civilization has had many religions and many dispensations of thought. But one of the things that we have forgotten is that open-mindedness to the future and respect for evidence does mean wooliness and an absence of certitude in what we are."
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    The Scots-Irish/ Scotch-Irish had an immense influence in the Indian wars and frontier life in the Appalachians and then in the West.

    The old Western films show the Scots-Irish kin-centred mentality and touchy sense of honour perfectly.

    The Scotch-Irish were mainly descended from southern Scots Presbyterians (Calvinists) who had settled for a time in Ulster and to a smaller extent from Northern English dissenting Protestants (Methodists,etc) of similar adventurous, authority-hating mentality.

    The Scotch-Irish were influential in the Revolution against Britain and in later US industry and in the US Presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas View Post
    The Scots-Irish kin-centred mentality and touchy sense of honour
    You should look up some of former member Barreldriver's old posts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Looking at America, it is interesting to note that the northern half of the US seems to be the accomplished section of the nation:



    ... and that is not only because of early historical settlement, as can be seen in a fairly recent distribution:



    By contrast, see where the "Bible Belt" is located ... almost the inverse of above maps:



    Coincidence? Or shall we regard this post in the religious vs intelligence thread as well?
    Quote Originally Posted by Electronic God-Man View Post
    The North, and specifically the region colored the darkest in this map, is far more industrialized than the South. Also, the population size is greater.

    The South has been largely agriculturally based until very recently. And even now it's nothing like New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
    Two of these pictures should help. I also edited my own in photoshop. The Republican Red-State/Democratic Blue-State division is featured in that picture. The darker colored is for the colonial 13. Red is for English colonies (i.e. pre-1707) and their diaspora states and the Union, before Confederate expansion. The Blue shows the original Confederate states, outward from the British colonies (i.e. post-1707), in the Confederate Constitution.

    This shows truth in the Scottish origin of the rednecks in the Deep South, and they obviously expanded enough to influence the size of the CSA, although under the "slavery" premise. English are in all of America from the beginning, but Scots only became appended since the British Union, with the newer colonies here. That also explains their difference in standard of living, comparing England and perhaps the Anglo-Scottish Borders. Indeed, the Deep South is transitional between the rest of America and Canada, because Canada is wholly more Scottish in origin.

    English Parliamentarians founded America, despite Southern Loyalism, and the Southerners are apparently cut off from their Nova Scotian brethren, Jacobites, the lot of them. The Democrats began with Andrew Jackson, a Scotch-Irishman from South Carolina, where the Civil War began. Jackson hated the deal between the Anglo-Saxon planters in the Federalist and Jeffersonian parties, which marginalized the Scottish component of the population by preferential treatment to the majority Anglo-Saxon population in Westward expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    People always seem to forget the Irish. When England was in the so-called "Dark Ages", the Irish peasentry were conversing in Greek and Latin! We are from the Land of Saints and Scholars!

    We are the mastard race!

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    The difference is England was invaded and developing out of nothing, Ireland was pretty much the same as it had been in the Iron Age but with additional Roman influences such as Christianity.

    The dark ages in England were very brief compared to the dark age which would eventually befall Ireland for the next centuries. Ireland never did see a second golden age IMO.

    LOL
    At nazi internet fags claiming italians never accomplished anything. Ignorance reigns between them.
    We have given the world Rome and Renaissance, and we are in 4th place in human accomplishments even if we couldn't count over a centralized and stable nation as other countries had.
    Such as? Maybe on Skadi, but not many here. Northern Italy has been hugely important in European history, up there with France, England, Germany, Spain and some others, I think most here will acknowledge that.

    Northern Italy is clearly included:


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    I read this several years ago. Murray is one of a handful of today's thinkers that I strive to read thoroughly.

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    He has done some good work but his geography is shakey as far as Italy is concerned.

    The most productive Italian area on his map (in dark blue) is not just "Tuscany" as he had it but Tuscany and Emilia-Romagna too (the Bologna-Parma-Rimini area).

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    Bumping this thread for interest, also look at the correlation between concentrations within the European core and this map of individualism:


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    This website is better (and also includes data from Murray):

    http://pantheon.media.mit.edu/about/team

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