Austria-Hungary and the great war

[Stefan_Dusan]

You fucked nothing. We destroy our all Slavic enemy, the Serbian and the Russian state in that war, but the Central Powers suffered a defeat on the western front after long deadlock because of the Americans. Lesson: fuck the Balkan, but do not wage war against America!

Read Battle of Cer, Battle of Kolubara. Where did Austria-Hungary fuck us without German and Bulgarian troops? When you fought us 1-1 you ran back like a bunch of scared chickens to A-H.

[blogen]

Who do you think were the worst warmongerers in Austria Hungary and the worst Slav haters?

The Germans and the Poles. The Hungarian aristocracy opposed the occupation of Bosnia and did not favour bringing the war because of the assassination in Sarajevo (the heir was not Hungarophile otherwise). Tisza István opposed the conflict personally, since the Hungarian political elite wanted a limited Balkan war for the restoration of the authority of the Empire over the peninsula, but without continental consequences. The Germanophile Austrian leaders convinced him finally, after his fundamental condition were accepted: the monarchy does not annex more Slavic populated areas in the Balkan.

[blogen]

As Robert Seton Watson makes clear in Racial problem of Hungary, it was not petty functionaries sabotaging good intentions of the government, but the policy of the government to not actually respect it's own laws which were only for show and to brag to naive foreigners of how progressive Hungary was.

Seton Watson were an Entente propagandist on the Enemy Propaganda Department in London. His works are astonishing collections of truth and lies about the Monarchy.

So please!

[TheForeigner]

LOL at Blogen and Hungarians like him in denial abouth their troops defeated by all their enemies in battle, when on their own in that war. Russians, Romanians and Serbians all won battles against you but the Germans by themselves or together with the Austro-Hungarians and Bulgarians won many battles against us. Romanians and Russians also won battles against Austro-Hungaro-Germans. For Romania see Maresti, Marasesti and Oituz battles. And a war just with Serbia, even if it ended in defeat would not likely have finished the Empire, altough it would have caused much trouble internally. And it's very possible they would have gotten their act together and beat small Serbia and even Romania or both together. They need it a stronger shock and defeat to fall to pieces.Otherwise it was less possible for nationalities to liberate themselves, especially since Germany would help them at least with this. Maybe just Hungary could have tried to proclaim independence and retain it's old borders but even that could have backfired against them or Habsburgs too. Hard to say. Or more liokely it would have fared well a minor, even though unexpected defeat.

[TheForeigner]

Seton Watson wrote that book years before the war and had originally been a Magyarophile. There is plenty of data on Hungarian policy towards minorities and there were among Hungarian rulling classes war mongerers who thought easy victory will also crush the opposing forces on the home front. And the Marasti, Marasesti and Oituz victories were obtained in 1917, not long before Russia pulled out of the war and force Romania to do the same, because of izolation and obvious hopeless situation, even though the army was undefeated or unbroken.

[blogen]

Read Battle of Cer, Battle of Kolubara. Where did Austria-Hungary fuck us without German and Bulgarian troops? When you fought us 1-1 you ran back like a bunch of scared chickens to A-H.

Remember, Tisza István's condition was before the war that the war may not end with Serbia's occupation! The aim of the Balkan front was a punisher expedition in the Northern Serbian region. This was unsuccessful, since we fought with insignificant strengths on the Serbian front because of the fast Russian mobilisation, the numbers of the two military forces was simiar and this was not appropriate for the offensive operations. But Serbia was isolated, the country's occupation turned into important because of the near-eastern Turkish defeats. The Germans needed an eastern supply route, and Falkenhayn was trying to convince Conrad of this vainly for a long time. The kaisers decided about the case on a highest level finally and the planning was beginning then only.

[blogen]

Seton Watson wrote that book years before the war and had originally been a Magyarophile. There is plenty of data on Hungarian policy towards minorities and there were among Hungarian rulling classes war mongerers who thought easy victory will also crush the opposing forces on the home front. And the Marasti, Marasesti and Oituz victories were obtained in 1917, not long before Russia pulled out of the war and force Romania to do the same, because of izolation and obvious hopeless situation, even though the army was undefeated or unbroken.

He was Magyarophile when he was very young. But later he was an propagandist only. And the Hungarian troops stopped the Romanians quickly in Transsylvania. And Romania capitulated because of its catastrophic defeat, since we (we, the Central Powers, this was the "we" in this war*) occupied the country almost totally.

*Not only Austro-Hungary, but French or Englishs had no victorious or other battles in the war. Since we and they were military alliances and their armies and corps fought together on all fronts. This was an Central Powers-Entente war in all fronts from the Sinai to Flanders.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Remember, Tisza István's condition was before the war that the war may not end with Serbia's occupation! The aim of the Balkan front was a punisher expedition in the Northern Serbian region. This was unsuccessful, since we fought with insignificant strengths on the Serbian front because of the fast Russian mobilisation, the numbers of the two military forces was simiar and this was not appropriate for the offensive operations. But Serbia was isolated, the country's occupation turned into important because of the near-eastern Turkish defeats. The Germans needed an eastern supply route, and Falkenhayn was trying to convince Conrad of this vainly for a long time. The kaisers decided about the case on a highest level finally and the planning was beginning then only.

lol. You were defeated so bad Potiorek was fired!

Austria had taken massive losses and yet failed to conquer or defeat Serbia. The Austro-Hungarian 5th and 6th Armies were driven out of Serbian territory, abandoning Belgrade to the Serbs.[1] Meanwhile, it was under intense pressure from the Russian army on its eastern frontier.

In a very unusual act, German emperor Wilhelm II personally congratulated Radomir Putnik on the victory.

[TheForeigner]

The Germans and the Poles. The Hungarian aristocracy opposed the occupation of Bosnia and did not favour bringing the war because of the assassination in Sarajevo (the heir was not Hungarophile otherwise). Tisza István opposed the conflict personally, since the Hungarian political elite wanted a limited Balkan war for the restoration of the authority of the Empire over the peninsula, but without continental consequences. The Germanophile Austrian leaders convinced him finally, after his fundamental condition were accepted: the monarchy does not annex more Slavic populated areas in the Balkan.

But you admit they wanted war against Serbia to strenghten prestige and influence. This was unnecessary and brutal imperialism.They just hoped Europe will let them do what they wanted maybe.And even European war they accepted in the end as ''necessary''. And in 1878 when Bosnia was occupied the minister of foreign affairs for the Habsburg monarchy and man who most wanted that and I think chief architect was a Hungarian noble.

[TheForeigner]

I wonder if Serbian nationalist would have been happy if in 1878 Bosnia was left to them? Ii think they would have looked towards Croatia being the same in language and ''race'' too and also with a large Serbian minority, which before Yugoslav wars of 1990s had Serbian majority in Krajina region.And they would look at so called Vojvodina of Southern Hungary and it's Serbo-Croat population and maybe even the Slovene lands and their Yugoslav project. Maybe there was no way Austria-Hungary and Serbia could leave together in peace... Serbian nationalists wanted too much and were not moderate or peaceful even then.