Which of the nine empires is closest to your heart?

[Dandelion]

We all know the proudest possession of the Spanish Empire was the city of Ámberes.

[Damião de Góis]

What I dont understand (well, I do really) is why you call Iberian Union to a conquest where there were battles and two wars, one in 1580 when Spain conquered Portugal, and other when Portugal independized of Spain in 1640.

It's not my term.

King Phillip of Spain was the uncle of King Sebastian who died heirless, so he thought he had a claim to the throne. Even some of the portuguese nobility supported his claim.
The battles you call were against a shattered kingdom that had no king.

So Phillip eventually got to be the ruler of Portugal and annexed its colonies too. But those colonies were not spanish conquests, they just became annexed during this mess up that lasted for a few decades.

[Cristiano viejo]

Your map shows brazil as spanish on the top.

Just tell me how brazil was spanish.

Because for what I know the Portuguese colonized brazil initially, not the Spanish. The spanish colonized metal rich areas like andes and some parts of central america/mexico. They avoided Brazilian jungles.

And then the church divided up the territory anyways so that brazil was portugal anyways

Treaty of Tordesillas

Spain conquered Portugal and its colonies, little ignorant. That is why Brazil belonged Spain.
Here you have Spaniards defeating Dutch to recover the Brazilian city of Bahía
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jornada_del_Brasil
Here another defeat on Dutch in Brazil too
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalla_de_los_Abrojos

Here it finish my lessons of history. As I said, I will not waste my time with you anymore. You are too analphabet to discuss with me, sorry.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberia...ms_in_1598.png

Even during the Iberian Union Brazilian territory was administered by the portuguese. Not spanish

[Cristiano viejo]

We all know the proudest possession of the Spanish Empire was the city of Ámberes.

Amberes was a very important city in that time but the proudest possesion of the Spanish empire was Cuba. The jewel of the crown.

It's not my term.

King Phillip of Spain was the uncle of King Sebastian who died heirless, so he thought he had a claim to the throne. Even some of the portuguese nobility supported his claim.
The battles you call were against a shattered kingdom that had no king.

It is what happens in the conquests here and there. Always a part of the "conquered" people supports the invaders.
And Portuguese did have a king, the Prior de Crato. We have discussed this many times.

So Phillip eventually got to be the ruler of Portugal and annexed its colonies too. But those colonies were not spanish conquests, they just became annexed during this mess up that lasted for a few decades.

It is what happened in many empires, not all were conquest and deads. Marriages etc also work

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Not my fault that the conquest of Portugal and its colonies by Spain is not of your taste.

What conquest? We were never conquered, we're one of the few nations worldwide that was never military conquered since our foundation, unlike Spain who became a Napoleonic satellite by military force. The "conquest" you're talking about was nothing more than a diplomatic crisis and what happened was that Philip II of Spain took the crown of Portugal in 1581 after Henry died without an heir. Simple as that. Our colonies were under the Spanish crown during 60 years but that's all, Spanish crown left no impact on them and Portugal as a region was nearly completely autonomous.

If you want to read about real military conquests and not diplomatic affairs I recommend you a nice historical conquest, the day that the Portuguese army occupied Madrid

https://sol.sapo.pt/artigo/532427/sa...s-portugueses-

[MinervaItalica]

The Roman Empire is still the best one, hands down.

The Latins were a superior race.

[Cristiano viejo]

What conquest? We were never conquered, we're one of the few nations worldwide that was never military conquered or occupied since our foundation, unlike Spain who became a Napoleonic satellite by military force.

Here I sttoped to read.
First, Napoleon was DEFEATED in Spain, I dont know if you are aware of this.
Second, what conquest, you say?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...A2ntara_(1580) Spanish taking Lisboa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Oporto Spanish taking Oporto
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalha_da_ilha_Terceira Spanish taking the Azores Islands

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Spain conquered Portugal and its colonies, little ignorant. That is why Brazil belonged Spain.
Here you have Spaniards defeating Dutch to recover the Brazilian city of Bahía
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jornada_del_Brasil
Here another defeat on Dutch in Brazil too
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalla_de_los_Abrojos

Here it finish my lessons of history. As I said, I will not waste my time with you anymore. You are too analphabet to discuss with me, sorry.

Part of the dutch Portuguese war?
It was in the Iberian Union so yea spanish troops were sent to keep the dutch out. But Brazil was administered by the portuguese. Not Spain. All spain did was keep the dutch out. Not proof the spanish was the core of brazil or that they were the ones that colonized it.
It says the fleet was spanish Portuguese btw. Not spanish only.

[Dandelion]

Here I sttoped to read.
First, Napoleon was DEFEATED in Spain, I dont know if you are aware of this.
Second, what conquest, you say?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...A2ntara_(1580) Spanish taking Lisboa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Oporto Spanish taking Oporto
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalha_da_ilha_Terceira Spanish taking the Azores Islands

The Iberian campaign was a nightmare for the French. A population who loves their country and was willing to fight for it and an influential Catholic Church. Supply lines disappearing left and right made it impossible for them.