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    Putin calls for end to Kiev’s military op, postponing referendum in E. Ukraine

    Ukrainian right-wing groups are behind the recent events in the country, Russian President Vladimir Putin said, adding that Kiev has not disarmed them. He also called on anti-Kiev protesters to postpone a May 11 federalization referendum.

    "Russia believes that the crisis, which originated in Ukraine and is now actively developing in accordance with the worst-case scenario, is to be blamed on those who organized the coup in Kiev on 22-23 February and still do not care to disarm the right-wing and nationalist elements," the president said.

    Direct dialogue between Kiev and anti-government protesters in southeast Ukraine is key to ending the crisis, Putin said.

    It is now essential to create “to create the necessary conditions for this dialogue,” he added.

    This, however, would require rescheduling the referendum, which anti-government activists scheduled on May 11 to determine the fate of southeast Ukraine.

    “We are calling for southeast Ukraine representatives, supporters of federalization of the country, to postpone the May 11 referendum to create the necessary conditions for dialogue,” Putin said at a press conference with OSCE Chairperson-in-Office and Swiss President Didier Burkhalter in Moscow.

    In response to Putin’s offer, one of the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, Denis Pushilin, said the possibility would be discussed Thursday.

    “We respect Putin’s position. He is a balanced politician. So we will submit this proposal tomorrow to the people’s council,” he said.

    Putin also described Ukraine's May 25 presidential election as a move "in the right direction", but stressed the importance of constitutional reforms that would have to precede any nationwide vote in Ukraine.

    'Russia withdraws troops from Ukrainian border'

    President Vladimir Putin also said that Russia has withdrawn its troops from the Ukrainian border.

    “We have been told that our troops by the Ukrainian border are a concern – we have withdrawn them. They are now not near the border, but at locations where they conduct regular drills at ranges,” he said.

    Earlier, German Chancellor Angela Merkel suggested holding "roundtable discussions," a proposal that Moscow fully supports, Putin added.

    Moscow and the OSCE agree substantially on the approach to resolving the situation in Ukraine, Putin said, adding that negotiations had made it clear.

    “Moscow is interested in a swift resolution of the crisis in Ukraine, taking into consideration the interests of all people of the country,” he said.

    OSCE drafting Ukraine roadmap

    In the coming hours, OSCE will offer a “roadmap” on Ukraine, Burkhalter said.

    “Our offer now is the following: literally in the next few hours we would like to offer a roadmap for the four signatories of the Geneva agreements," Burkhalter said, adding that the roadmap lays out “concrete steps” to resolve the Ukrainian crisis.

    There are four major points, he said: "These are the ceasefire, the de-escalation of tensions, the dialogue and elections." Burkhalter added that the roadmap had been discussed earlier in Vienna.

    It comes as a “more pragmatic” alternative to the so-called Geneva-2 peace talks on Ukraine, which Burkhalter said for now are not being planned to be held.

    Burkhalter also believes that dialogue between Kiev and southeast Ukraine is a “realistic prospect.”

    “As for the probability of a national dialogue in Ukraine, I think it's quite a realistic prospect, because only Ukrainian people need to be involved in determining their own destiny,” he said.

    On behalf of OSCE, Burkhalter said that the organization is ready to take responsibility for coordination the “roadmap” and negotiations with the US and the EU will be taking place soon.
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    Putin gave the last chance to Kiev authorities. Also, I do not think that the inhabitants of South-East will be agree to postpone the referendum. Putin once already quoted Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord - "Speech was given to diplomat (man) to disguise his thoughts". Putin knows much more on Ukraine because beside news he also receives data from the intelligence in real-time. He will not fail us, and all pro-Russian population of Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller View Post
    Putin gave the last chance to Kiev authorities. Also, I do not think that the inhabitants of South-East will be agree to postpone the referendum. Putin once already quoted Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord - "Speech was given to diplomat (man) to disguise his thoughts". Putin knows much more on Ukraine because beside news he also receives data from the intelligence in real-time. He will not fail us, and all pro-Russian population of Ukraine.
    Exactly, he's playing it very well

    Putin will do what is best for Russia, first and foremost.
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    I pray you guys are right.

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    It's all political game. We don't know what kind of information Putin and his team has at hands.

    For example there were messages about MRL 'Grad' and heavy artillery being deployed near Slavyansk and preparing to bomb the city. If such weaponry is used against populated areas there will be thousands of dead among civilians. Putin might as well just saved all these people.

    Also referendum this weekend is pretty much impossible. You can't have a free democratic referendum in the area where military activities taking place. For that you have to gain de-facto independence and maintain civil order in the controlled areas like it was in Crimea. Or at least stop military activities.

    A very interesting fact is that according to reports quite a few people in Donetsk and Lugansk regions had no information about when and where referendum will take place. Now the Kiev's media will yell at every corner that supposedly Putin is against referendum being held this weekend. Since they sincerely believe their own lies they'll think Donbass will follow 'instructions' from Moscow. But Putin have no authority over people of Donbass, it's up to local authorities to proceed or not. However now everyone in Ukraine will know exactly where and when the referendum will be held thus the whole situation is a free advertisement of referendum by junta.

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    Eastern ukranians seem abandoned by russia, just like Bosnia, and then Krajna and then Kosovo Serbs were abandoned by Serbia. All Serbia could do is assist the paramilitaries, exactly like Russia does now. In short both are acting as losers. And NATO interprets the signal. NATO only understands of good old raw might and nothing else. For them, logic and agreement means weakness and defeat.

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    Generally i agree with you,
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Putin might as well just saved all these people.
    If the west had such intentions, they would wipe pro-russians from eastern ukraine, it is clear that the Kiev marionettes have stopped taking Putin seriously : http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/P...netsk/25849602
    Ukrainian interim Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk dismissed Putin's comments on the referendum as "hot air."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    It's all political game. We don't know what kind of information Putin and his team has at hands.
    For example there were messages about MRL 'Grad' and heavy artillery being deployed near Slavyansk and preparing to bomb the city. If such weaponry is used against populated areas there will be thousands of dead among civilians. Putin might as well just saved all these people.
    Haha, you just read my mind, I also think something similar on Putin's proposal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Also referendum this weekend is pretty much impossible. You can't have a free democratic referendum in the area where military activities taking place. For that you have to gain de-facto independence and maintain civil order in the controlled areas like it was in Crimea. Or at least stop military activities.
    Yevgeny Fyodorov also commented that Putin wants demilitarization of the zone for a democratic referendum. It may also mean that Putin sees the referendum as legitimate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    A very interesting fact is that according to reports quite a few people in Donetsk and Lugansk regions had no information about when and where referendum will take place. Now the Kiev's media will yell at every corner that supposedly Putin is against referendum being held this weekend. Since they sincerely believe their own lies they'll think Donbass will follow 'instructions' from Moscow. But Putin have no authority over people of Donbass, it's up to local authorities to proceed or not. However now everyone in Ukraine will know exactly where and when the referendum will be held thus the whole situation is a free advertisement of referendum by junta.
    If Donbass will refuse to postpone the referendum (I think they will), it will demonstrate to all the world that the pro-Russian activists take decisions independently. On the other hand, no one managed to bring to their knees Donbass, and I think a bunch of fascists is not to succeed in that also. Seeing the courageous behavior of pro-Russian activists, I remembered the words of Alexander Nevsky before the Battle of Lake Peipus (God is not about the force, but about truth).

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    Quote Originally Posted by epirot View Post
    Eastern ukranians seem abandoned by russia, just like Bosnia, and then Krajna and then Kosovo Serbs were abandoned by Serbia. All Serbia could do is assist the paramilitaries, exactly like Russia does now. In short both are acting as losers. And NATO interprets the signal. NATO only understands of good old raw might and nothing else. For them, logic and agreement means weakness and defeat.
    Are you telling me that Assad is the only one able to stand up against the NWO? Dang! He's got a huge pare of balls!

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    If russia falls, assad will be one day work for NWO....

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