Most Slavic non-Slavic speaking ethnicity

[Zmey Gorynych]

Depends which Slavs. From Bulgarian perspective it's Romanians, Albanians and Greeks. From Czech perspective maybe it's Germans, Austrians and Hungarians. From Russian perspective maybe it's Balts and Christian Caucasians.

Aren't slavs one meta-ethnicity, why the need to split the hair in 10 !? He's obviosly thinking of russians though. His options are sound but I don't get the exclusion of lithuanians and latvians. These 2 groups IMO are closer to slavs than hungarians and romanians.

My answer would be moldavians. They are genetically not as close as balts but culturally a lot closer, many morons still weep after Mother Russia. I would go as far as to say that moldavians are closer to russians than many other slavs (southern and western).

[Trun]

Arent's slavs one meta-ethnicity, why the need to split the hair in 10 !?

It's a meta ethnicity by language. Other than that, there are obvious differences.

[gültekin]

Filipinos

[Jusarius]

Estonians, Balts, Russians and Belarussians seem to have some common ancestors, but at that time they weren't Slavs, Balts or anything else yet

This. Itäs not that complicated but apparently too difficult for many to understand here. I'm just as bright when I claim that most Slavs are genetic Estonians.

[Jusarius]

LOL.

East Finns include the Karelians that have a strong Tavastian admix, also Scandinavian, Veps etc, it was the Tavastians that expanded to the North shore of Ladoga, Sortavala area to Isthmus in the Viking Age.
Breaking down the Karelians would be nice to see, I would bet money they differ a lot from each other by regions.
Savonians are a new chapter, also would like to see North and South Savonians broken down, the South is an Tavastians expansion area also, North has a lot of Sami most likely.

Actually historical evidence shows that Tavastian influence is higher in Northern Savonia and South Savonia is more Savo-Karelian.

[Rugevit]

This. Itäs not that complicated but apparently too difficult for many to understand here. I'm just as bright when I claim that most Slavs are genetic Estonians.

I will quote Hweliant from forumbiodiversity

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There has been 4 major demographic catastrophes at Estonia. I'll just introduce you to 2 as they are quite enough:

Polish–Swedish War (1600–1629):
Post-war population 60,000-70,000

The Next 60-70 years, however, witnessed rapid groth, aided by the influx of numerous immigrants (in particular, Finns, Russians, Latvians and Lithuanians),
who were gradually assimilated by the Estonian. The toal population reached 325.000-350.000 (Otto Liiv) or 350.000-400.00 (Palli) by the mid-1690s.

Estonia and the Estonians
- Toivo U. Raun, 2001.

So population of Estonia went from 70K -> 350K in 2 generations!

Then the shit hit the fan again:

Pre Great Northern War Estonia: 350K-400K

Lots of war and misery, Russian barbarism and murder.

Post Great Northern War Estonia: 170K (highest possible estimation of remaining Estonians by Heldur Palli).

After GNW:

Systematic pillaging by Russian forces at the time of the Northern War, and the 1710–1711 plague epidemic, caused a huge demographic catastrophe. Historians remain divided on the numerical estimates, but on balance it is thought that after the Northern War there were no more than 150 000–170 000 Estonians left. The early 18th-century post-war crisis marked the lowest ebb in the Estonian population during the last thousand years. But due to a high natural population growth and partly also to immigration, the number of Estonians began to rise rapidly. In 1725, the Estonian population was 220 000, in 1750 it was 335 000, and in 1765, 400 000. Thus the population level of the Swedish time, before the Great Famine, was restored.

http://www.estonica.org/en/History/1...ial_structure/

So the Northern War Decimated Estonians were allready VERY heteregenous collection of their neighbouring populations and the locals. Then came the GNW which eliminated half of them.
Right after the war new waves of immigrants came in from neighbouring regions (Finland, Russia, Latvia), mixing with old, decimated heterogenous bunch. In less than 4 decades the population doubled.
The low FST is because of this and also the reason why Estonians have very low FST with their neighbours, who are all partially their root populations. Estonians certainly are not "proto-Finnics" you wish them to be. We are.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...288#post819288

[SKYNET]

Estonians and Moldovans, because they are former citizens of USSR.

[Äijä]

I will quote Hweliant from forumbiodiversity

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There has been 4 major demographic catastrophes at Estonia. I'll just introduce you to 2 as they are quite enough:

Polish–Swedish War (1600–1629):
Post-war population 60,000-70,000




Estonia and the Estonians
- Toivo U. Raun, 2001.

So population of Estonia went from 70K -> 350K in 2 generations!

Then the shit hit the fan again:

Pre Great Northern War Estonia: 350K-400K

Lots of war and misery, Russian barbarism and murder.

Post Great Northern War Estonia: 170K (highest possible estimation of remaining Estonians by Heldur Palli).

After GNW:




So the Northern War Decimated Estonians were allready VERY heteregenous collection of their neighbouring populations and the locals. Then came the GNW which eliminated half of them.
Right after the war new waves of immigrants came in from neighbouring regions (Finland, Russia, Latvia), mixing with old, decimated heterogenous bunch. In less than 4 decades the population doubled.
The low FST is because of this and also the reason why Estonians have very low FST with their neighbours, who are all partially their root populations. Estonians certainly are not "proto-Finnics" you wish them to be. We are.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...288#post819288

This would fit the fact that Estonians have the same proportion of N1c and I1 as the Finns if you assume most of the R1a and some others are part of these population movements in the historical times.

I would really like to see what are the Estonian subclades for those.

[Rugevit]

The answer to the question is all mentioned ethnicities are similar to Slavs depending on a group of Slavs we compare Romanians, Hungarians, Moldovans and Estonians.

[Prism]

Hungarians by far, they have more Slavic R1a than South Slavs even. Every Hungarian i've seen/met in my life so far ( in real life and on this forum ) looked West Slavic.
Basically they are Slavs who don't speak a Slavic language haha.