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    Default Devolution in the British Isles

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    A very good and concise British Library display highlighting the factors of each nation within the British state.

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    England is not well represented. Is it considered, yes, considered for destruction, by the ideological, English hating, family hating, Mcmafia that runs our national government, local government, police executive etc...
    The vast majority of people I meet on a daily basis want English Independence, never mind what Scotaland wants

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    Wouldn't a kingdom of England alone be easier to administrate? More fair and even stronger?

    I've been learning that the most UK'ers of all are the Scots and the Ulster-Scots. Many whine and whine but seem to fear being left out from the glory of the british empire. Inferiority complex?
    This is my church, it stands so tall and proud, it has done for all time
    It has no walls, yet its vast halls, reach from shore to shore
    To whatever shore you know as your own, we stand as one, we stand alone
    We are born from the same womb, hewn from the same stone

    From the frozen Baltic; I watched sunrise over Athena
    Walked the battlefields of Flanders and saw duskfall at Cintra
    Beneath the spires of Sofia; fields of crosses at Arnhem
    Armenius stood tall in Teuteborg; Senatus Populusque Romanus

    To the fjords of Hordaland; shadows of ancient Albion,
    At the shore of a 1000th lake; Saint Vitus dance in Praha
    Yet when to Ireland we return, I know that I am home at last
    And every sun that sets takes me closer to her Earth.

    The West is ripe for the picking, ready for the fall.
    We are being sold for the endless corporate multinational pursuit of creating one faceless mono-culture

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    England would be economically stronger. With regards to fairness, yes, certainly for the English. Dont really understand the context of the second part, the empire IS dead, both were part of it. The Scots ,RELATIVELY SPEAKING, can be argued to have gained more benefits than the others. My concerns are for England, not Scotland and no animosity is meant. I do personally feel for Wales for some strange reason though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hereward View Post
    Dont really understand the context of the second part, the empire IS dead, both were part of it.
    I meant, they seem to fear be left out from the inheritance of the United Kingdom's history. It's a psychological factor. For an instance, around the world, many equate the United Kingdom with England. People simple refer to the UK as England.

    If the union ends, there will still be an historical continuation of England, but in the eyes of the world, Scotland will start from scratch. And many Scots have an inferiority complex towards this. It's a socio-psychological issue. For an instance, who knows Bratislava compared to Prague? Scots think they will not be able to "sell" their brand out of the United Kingdom umbrella. They can not overcome the fact that they may be seen as a minor country.
    This is my church, it stands so tall and proud, it has done for all time
    It has no walls, yet its vast halls, reach from shore to shore
    To whatever shore you know as your own, we stand as one, we stand alone
    We are born from the same womb, hewn from the same stone

    From the frozen Baltic; I watched sunrise over Athena
    Walked the battlefields of Flanders and saw duskfall at Cintra
    Beneath the spires of Sofia; fields of crosses at Arnhem
    Armenius stood tall in Teuteborg; Senatus Populusque Romanus

    To the fjords of Hordaland; shadows of ancient Albion,
    At the shore of a 1000th lake; Saint Vitus dance in Praha
    Yet when to Ireland we return, I know that I am home at last
    And every sun that sets takes me closer to her Earth.

    The West is ripe for the picking, ready for the fall.
    We are being sold for the endless corporate multinational pursuit of creating one faceless mono-culture

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    Scots will become less noticable on the world stage, but if I was a Scotsman it wouldn't bother me. This has been discussed in Scotland. In Ulster it is different, it is a mess, the consequences of independence by England/Scotland on Ulster is not much discussed. I'll say one thing, the Irish Government would not want that problem. Who knows maybe Scotland and Ireland can form a union, spring time for all

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    Quote Originally Posted by December View Post
    I meant, they seem to fear be left out from the inheritance of the United Kingdom's history
    I think you half answered your query in the next sentence.

    For an instance, around the world, many equate the United Kingdom with England. People simple refer to the UK as England.
    If you ever have the misfortune to meet a Scots person in anti-English mode, you will soon discover that both your eyelids and ears can only take so much abuse and that Scotland has an adequate history and culture with which to define itself rather comfortably alone in the world post-independence.

    The one country that will suffer an international identity crisis post-independence will be the English. It isn't to say that Scotland will not have to strike out on new ground, as neither country has been on the world stage for over 300 years now, but Scotland have the advantage of having kept the closeness of clan names around the world, customs and culture and national identity, etc, etc. England has nothing but the sheen of the British Imperial machine as its self identity. The greatest victim of the Union is England. It not only had to accommodate and incorporate other nations and their cultures, but also had to relinquish many of its own customs and culture as British.

    What hope have we currently got when fine Englishmen still place that awful Union flag as their country? What do they consider England to be exactly? A region? What respect and honour they have for their ancestors and history.

    You can forgive the ignorant foreigner who makes this mistake as what pride and passion do they possibly have for this country, but for an Englishman to do this is disgusting.

    Anyway, off topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by hereward View Post
    I do personally feel for Wales for some strange reason though.
    It's odd isn't it? I have the same feeling. I put it down to Wales having been incorporated and assimilated into England first and for longer than any other nation in the British Isles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by December View Post
    I meant, they seem to fear be left out from the inheritance of the United Kingdom's history.
    Really? I assure you, most Scots don't brag about the acomplishments of Britain.

    It's a psychological factor. For an instance, around the world, many equate the United Kingdom with England. People simple refer to the UK as England.
    Yes, and?

    If the union ends, there will still be an historical continuation of England, but in the eyes of the world, Scotland will start from scratch. And many Scots have an inferiority complex towards this. It's a socio-psychological issue. For an instance, who knows Bratislava compared to Prague? Scots think they will not be able to "sell" their brand out of the United Kingdom umbrella. They can not overcome the fact that they may be seen as a minor country.
    You speak as if you're an authority on the issue, where everything you've said is complete shit. Scotland doesn't sell its self within the umberella of the United Kingdom. Scotland and her people have always sold themselves on their own merits and heritage.

    There is no inferiority-complex. There is fear of the unkown, on how Scotland will stand economocally independent. That's about it.

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