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    So I took this ftDNA, got back the first 12 markers, still waiting on the remanding 37 (which will come in several weeks). It's predicting I'm I-M170 based on this data.



    This is LITERALLY the oldest variant of I, it's the FIRST variant of I to emerge in Europe and the ONLY such one. From Wikipedia:

    Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M170 is predominantly a European haplogroup and it is considered as the only native European Haplogroup
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M170

    It predates I1 (I-M253) and of course the one most common in the Balkans (I-M423).

    I allowed the Serbian geneticist to gain access to my data, his response:

    For any definite grouping we must wait for all 37 markers. It must be said that 12 markers exact match could be false. For example, I have two exact matches on 12, but they are not matches at all for me on 25, 37 or 67.
    They are not even close to me. And with my cousin (10 steps from me on direct male line), for example, I have three differences. And my father in law has about 100 exact matches in 12 markers, but none is close to him in 37. And all of them are thousands of years from him till first direct common ancestor.
    In few days we shall know more.
    And I must say that your I-2 branch is very misterious, and rare of course. You are first Serb to be in it. I know there
    Its closer in time origin might be somewhere near Caucasus, but further in time it is certainly Europe, as are all I-s.


    There is even albanian guy I2c guy. You have three differences to him, but, who knows!

    E14951 Selmani Albania I-M170 15 24 15 10 14-14 11 13 12 13 11 30 17 8-8 11 11 24 15 20 32 11-15-15-15 10 10 19-21 15 13 16 18 34-36 12 10
    What the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck is going on!

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    Wait till you get the rest of the markers,see what further snps your matches have and check for those snps too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HellLander87 View Post
    Wait till you get the rest of the markers,see what further snps your matches have and check for those snps too.
    What I am confused about namely (besides there is no other Serbs with this, which would be impossible) is wikipedia mentions it's origin is in Europe but then the Serbian geneticist says it's in the Kavkaz and further, this is said by the same Wikipedia page:

    I-M170[edit]
    The composite subclade I-M170 contains individuals directly descended from the earliest members of Haplogroup I, bearing none of the subsequent mutations which identify the remaining named subclades.

    Several haplogroup I*-M170 individuals who do not fall in known subclades, with some of the greatest Y-STR diversity, have significantly been found among the populations of Turkey (8/741), Adygea (2/138), and Iraq (1/176),even though as a whole Haplogroup I-M170 occurs at only very low frequencies among modern populations of the Middle East and Caucasus. This is consistent with the belief that the haplogroup first appeared in that region. Overall, the highest frequencies of Haplogroup I*-M170 appear to be found among the Andalusians (3/103), French (4/179), Slovenians (2/55), Tabassarans (1/30)[32] and the Saami (1/35). [1] The greatest figure so far for I* was among the Laks in Dagestan, at a rate of (3/21).[32]
    Do they consider the Kavkaz Europe?!?!?!

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    You seem to have taken just a Y-STR marker test and no SNP tests. It predicts you as basic I with STR tests based on your STR markers. I am sure if you take some SNP tests you will come out as being I2a or something like that.

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    Wait to see the final results. But look from the bright side, you have the coolest haplogroup around. It doesn't matter what variant is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxman View Post
    You seem to have taken just a Y-STR marker test and no SNP tests. It predicts you as basic I with STR tests based on your STR markers. I am sure if you take some SNP tests you will come out as being I2a or something like that.
    I'm definitely not I2a, the Serbian guy checked that on my 23andMe, and ruled that out. This is why he begged me to do an FtDNA test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan_Dusan View Post
    I'm definitely not I2a, the Serbian guy checked that on my 23andMe, and ruled that out. This is why he begged me to do an FtDNA test.
    Wow your haplogroup is rare among Serbs then...Most Serbs are I2a1 or something like that aren't they?

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    For example based on str ftdna had me only as E1b1b.Only after I took an snp test I had E-v13 or e1b1b1a2 at my results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxman View Post
    Wow your haplogroup is rare among Serbs then...Most Serbs are I2a1 or something like that aren't they?
    The Serbian geneticist thinks I will become I2c but so far I allude all I2a or I2b or I2c. But I'm definitely neither I2a or I2b, I2c is so rare that there is still shot there.

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    If you are I2c read this
    I2c (L596, L597) probably originated around the Rhine region during the Mesolithic period. I2c* can be divided in four groups: A, AB, B and C.
    Group A is geographically limited to Switzerland, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Poland, Britain and Ireland.
    Group AB has been found in north-west Iran, around the Caucasus (Armenia and Georgia), in Turkey and in France.
    Group B is found at low frequencies in West Asia (Turkey, Georgia, North Ossetia, Armenia, Azerbaijian and north-west Iran), in Southeast Europe (Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Crete), in Balto-Slavic countries (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic), as well as in Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain and Britain.
    Group C has a similar distribution to group A but has also been found in France, Italy and Norway.
    Groups A and C seem to have expanded respectively during the Celtic Bronze and Iron ages, alongside R1b-S116/P312.
    Additionally, the subclade I2c1 (L1251) has recently been identified. It is found mostly in Germany and England and in their periphery (Ireland, Norway, France, Italy, Poland). This subclade is thought to be approximately 6000 years old, which places it in the Late Neolithic period. It may be associated with hunter-gatherers from Germany who adopted agriculture after coming into contact with Near-Eastern farmers from the Linear Pottery (LBK) culture".
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