Stefan's Y-Haplogroup

[Anglojew]

All my male cousins from my paternal side are embracing this. One even commented he always wanted to see Kavkaz mountains and now knows why

Don't forget when I first joined, the Bosnians and Albanians were accusing me of being a Chechen

You're probably a Sarmatian (which makes you my Scythian kin);

[Anglojew]

i thought that was croat

Both tribes moved from Iran. Probably allied.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Check out the guy who posted the video: "IllyrianWarrior20" is he related to our Illyrian Warrior or are Albanians just not very creative when names

[Black Wolf]

Some groups of the Caucasus do have I2 present among them but Chechens are not one of them. Chechens are majority J2a-M67. Dargins seems to have quite a bit of I2 though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_h...f_the_Caucasus

[Stefan_Dusan]

Some groups of the Caucasus do have I2 present among them but Chechens are not one of them. Chechens are majority J2a-M67. Dargins seems to have quite a bit of I2 though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_h...f_the_Caucasus

On ftDNA, it seems Georgians have I2c in some small quantities, I also heard Dagestani Laz people? But I need to wait for 37 markers.

The Chechen thing is a joke as iNigga and CrystalMethLady both accused me of being Chechen.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Anyways, in all groups, it seems I2c is very rare when its present. Its probably one of those very very very old haplogroups who began dying out for the mergence of new ones. There is no population that has I2c in any abundance which is why it's origin is mysterious and hard to study.

[HellLander87]

There is also a chance that albanians came from caucasus and you have an albanian lineage.

[Stefan_Dusan]

There is also a chance that albanians came from caucasus and you have an albanian lineage.

Don't make me commit suicide

[albosomething]

who's the chechen now ? hahahah jk

[Stefan_Dusan]

The story of I people, the true Europeans

Ancient DNA is gradually resolving the mysteries of Y-DNA Haplogroup I (L41). Its modern distribution was puzzling. On the one hand it seemed ancient in Europe. It rarely appears outside the boundaries of Europe and European colonies. So it was not a good candidate for arrival with farmers from the Near East. Nor did it seem the prime candidate for spread with the Indo-Europeans, since they travelled both west into Europe and east into the Indian Subcontinent. So the natural conclusion was that haplogroup I had been stalking around Europe since the Stone Age. It is estimated to be some 25,000 years old.1 That is not old enough to have arrived with the very first Homo sapiens in Europe 45,000 years ago, but it could have arisen from an IJ father in Europe before the Ice Age made northern Europe uninhabitable around 20,000 years ago. The lineages which led to I1 and I2 split so early that their bearers could have taken shelter in different Ice Age refugia.

We now have Y-DNA from five northern Europeans around 6000 BC, before farmers arrived there, and it all falls into haplogroup I. There are two examples of haplogroup I* from Sweden. The other three samples, two from Sweden and the other from Luxembourg, were I2.2

On the other hand the pattern of I subclades in present-day European men look relatively recent. We see regional bunching, typical of relatively recent arrivals. What are we to make of these contradictions? The haplogroup may date deep into the distant European past, but it seems that most of the hunters and foragers who carried it have no direct descendants in the male line today.

In a hunter-gatherer economy, the population is usually maintained at replacement level, where that community remains within a particular territory. Women space births by weaning late. Population levels need to be low, as each hunting band needs to roam a large territory. The human population dropped dramatically world-wide during the last glacial maximum. Within Europe it fell to the point where we would today classify it as an endangered species.

Then the population expanded during the Mesolithic as people gradually reclaimed the territory that had been lost to the climate downturn. Once it had expanded enough to fill the territory at the low hunter-gatherer level, we would expect it to be stable until farming made higher levels possible. Haplogroup I1 does not show any star-burst of subclades at that time, so we can presume that people carrying it were in no hurry to take up farming. However we do see bursts of new lineages in I2 at c. 8,000 years ago = 6000 BC, as farming reached the Balkans. It appears that some I2 men were willing and able to adopt agriculture.

So my inclination is to look for the ancestors of today's I-men in successful hunter-gatherer cultures, which had a good chance of leaving descendants. In the days when all mankind lived by hunting and gathering, all could be considered equally successful if they managed to survive in competition with other predators. This might include other human hunting bands, but fellow humans were not initially the main competition. Man had to be clever enough to out-do lions and bears and not end up at the wrong end of the food chain. Once farming entered the picture, hunters were in direct competition with people who could outbreed them and inexorably take over the territory. Successful hunting cultures at that point were few and far between. Characteristically they occupied a highly fruitful hunting or fishing niche, that could scarcely be bettered at that stage by turning it over to farming. People in such a niche could hold off any incoming farmers who thought otherwise, and choose to adopt whatever seemed useful from farming neighbours at their own pace.

I2c (L596, L597) is a relatively recent discovery, accounting for some of those previously labelled I2*. The group within it labelled (A) in Family Tree DNA I2* Haplogroup Project results is particularly interesting for its distribution around the Black Sea, including Armenia. It seems likely that the I2* in Armenians reported in one paper18 is actually I2c. Several Indo-European languages seem to have arisen on the western shores of the Black Sea, but eventually spread into Anatolia. Armenian made a further move from central Anatolia to Armenia.

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/haplogroupi.shtml