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    Quote Originally Posted by Valerio Tadici View Post
    I will never understand why spanish people:
    1. are so ferocius in antropological-identitary forums
    2. hate so much italians

    mysteries of faith..
    Because this stuff gets personal.

    Hispanic people don't like to learn they have a lot of Iberian blood and for most more Iberian blood than Native American or west African. Most European people don't like to learn they have a lot of near eastern ancestry or that our defining features may be very young, most Indian people don't like to learn that their language and religion came from bronze age European invaders, most west European people don't like to learn their main paternal lineage was in the near east just 8,000 years ago. I think some Spainish people don't like to be seen as darker than other Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valerio Tadici View Post
    I will never understand why spanish people:
    1. are so ferocius in antropological-identitary forums
    2. hate so much italians

    mysteries of faith..
    Ask to Terronepelli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired View Post
    Modern day central-north Italian people are the same as Italians were 2,500ybp(except for very very very very minor admixture with Germanic people). There is a good amount of Greek admixture in southern Italy especially Sicily. There is almost no North African, Gypose or whatever ancestry in Italy.

    The documentary was named Italy revealed.


    I gurentee anyone could tell the pigmentation difference between the Sardinians(nearly identically genetically to early European farmers Stuttgart and Otzi) and Baltic-Scandinavian people(closest relatives to Mesolithic Europeans and have majority Mesolithic ancestry).

    Google images for Swedes, Norwegians, Icelanders, Finnish, Sami, Lithuanian, Latvians, and Estonians.

    Google images for Sardinians(most important), Italians, Spainish, Portuguese, and Greek.

    No one can ignore the hair and eye color differences too. When I was 7 years old my parents told me Mexico was colonized by European people back in like the 1700's and I was shocked because Mexicans don't look white. My conclusion was that Italians colonized Mexico because Italians were darker(I had gone to an all Italian church the week before). No one can ignore the pigmentation differences.
    Nigga what? I've seen that documentary and the only dark people were the ones from Palo di Siena.

    http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palio_di_Siena

    Guess what? Palo di Siena is a summer event, so people are tanned.

    You can even see the flag of the Contrada Capitana dell'Onda from Siena.

    http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrad...na_dell%27Onda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordopelli View Post
    Nigga what? I've seen that documentary and the only dark people were the ones from Palo di Siena.

    http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palio_di_Siena

    Guess what? Palo di Siena is a summer event, so people are tanned.

    You can even see the flag of the Contrada Capitana dell'Onda from Siena.

    http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrad...na_dell%27Onda
    I have probably made some assumptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    Study says :

    "Southern Europeans (measures taken from Spaniards) show a skin pigmentation in parts of the body not exposed to the sun similar to that of Northern Europeans and, in some cases, even lighter."
    http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/chem...color_2000.pdf

    Also :
    "All samples are composed of indigenous populations, and readings are taken on areas of the body not exposed to the sun. Higher values indicate lighter skin, and lower values darker skin."

    Country and population or area

    Observed reflectance at 685 nm


    EUROPE


    Netherlands
    67•37
    Germany (Mainz)
    66•90
    United Kingdom (Northern)
    66•10
    Spain (Basques)
    65•70
    United Kingdom (Wales) 65•00
    Ireland (Rossmore)
    64•75
    Spain (Leon)
    64•66
    Belgium
    63•14
    United Kingdom (London) 62•30

    WEST ASIA

    Iraq/Syria (Kurds)
    61•12
    Turkey
    59•15
    Israel
    58•20
    Lebanon
    58•20
    Jordan
    53•00
    Saudi Arabia
    52•50

    NORTH AFRICA

    Algeria (Aures)
    58•05
    Tunisia
    56•30
    Morrocco
    54•85
    Libya (Tripoli)
    54•40
    Libya (Fezzan) 44•00

    SOUTH ASIA

    India (Northern)
    53•26
    Pakistan
    52•30
    India (Southern)
    46•70

    EAST ASIA

    China (Southern)
    59•17
    Vietnam
    55•90
    Japan (Northern)
    54•90
    Philippines (Manila)
    54•10
    Cambodia
    54•00
    Japan (Southwest)
    53•55
    Nepal (Eastern)
    50•42

    AUSTRO-MELANESIA

    Papua New Guinea
    35•30
    Australia (Darwin)
    19•30

    AMERICAS

    Greenland (Southern)
    55•70
    Peru (Nunoa)
    47•70
    Peru (Maranon)
    43•05

    SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA

    South Africa (Hottentot)
    46•80
    Botswana (San)
    42•40
    Zaire
    33•20
    Kenya
    32•40
    Ethiopia
    31•70
    Tanzania (Sandewe)
    28•90
    Namibia
    25•55
    Cameroon (Fali)
    21•50
    Mozambique (Chopi)
    19•45

    [Nina Jablonski and George Chaplin. "The Evolution of Human Skin Coloration". J Hum Evol, 2000; pp. 74-75]
    http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/chem...color_2000.pdf
    False! the Highest reflectance in this study by Jablonski & Chaplin was from another series of the United Kingdom at 68.00! Why didn't you put that one up? Was it to serve your bias vs British people? Everyone knows that British and Irish are the lightest-skinned people in the world! This skin reflectance was incomplete and inadequate. We have better skin phototype systems like the Fitzpatrick which was much more accurate than that nonsense!

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    Spaniards are overall darker (hair, eye, skin) than most other Europeans (Northern, Central, Eastern), due to the fact that they are a Mediterranean people. However they are still lighter-pigmented than most Non-Europeans groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Spaniards are overall darker (hair, eye, skin) than most other Europeans (Northern, Central, Eastern), due to the fact that they are a Mediterranean people. However they are still lighter-pigmented than most Non-Europeans groups.
    Spaniards and Portuguese are on par in pigmentation with Italians, some Balkan countries, and probably Greece. Then, you should have included all them in your sentence, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    But it is a common belief. I just met a German on Youtube who said that they consider French and Italians whiter and more similar to them then Spaniards. I havent seen many non-Spaniards who say that Spaniards are whiter than or as white as French and Italians
    False, all mediterranean area have similar pigmentation, and italian, spanish, greek, portuguese although non identical are considered of similar type of people, however French are perceived as typical western european rather than Southern european... but not fully Central/Northern European... Western european people (Typical french atlantic types, Irish, most brits and even quite a few belgians..) are darker than Northern/central or eastern europeans, they lack of strong teutonic, nordic and slavic-baltic component, and clearly have a more old european genetic stock when people used to have darker hair and overall features... (although not as dark as mediterranean who historically had contact with near east and north africa..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    Spaniards and Portuguese are on par in pigmentation with Italians, some Balkan countries, and probably Greece. Then, you should have included all them in your sentence, as well.
    Same way that People from Ireland ,the UK are far darker than other Northern Europeans, true blonde hair in british and irish women (and america save for some pockets in the upper midwest) is uncommon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    Spaniards and Portuguese are on par in pigmentation with Italians, some Balkan countries, and probably Greece. Then, you should have included all them in your sentence, as well.
    OK. Fair enough.

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