Jews v. Muslims

[Beorn]

Except that Jack Straw isn't a Jew. He had one Jewish grandparent - and not his maternal grandmother either, which would have made him technically, if not ethnically a Jew under Jewish religious law.

If Jack Straw had one Negroid Grandparent would he be an ethnic Englishman or a multiracial Englishman?

Jack Straw is a Jew. He has shown no inclination to release the ties to his Jewish past, and has indeed been named several times by his co-ministers as part of "a cabal of Jewish advisers surrounding Tony Blair".

EDIT: I also find he speaks of the English as if he doesn't consider himself to be English himself.

[curiousman]

Lol. Ask anyone about Germans.

I do like Germans

[The Ripper]

Antisemitism Embedded in British Culture
Interview with Robert Solomon Wistrich

Antisemitism has been present in Great Britain for almost a thousand years of recorded history. In the twelfth century, Catholic medieval Britain was a persecutory society, particularly when it came to Jews. It pioneered the blood libel and the church was a leader in instituting cruel legislation and discriminatory conduct toward Jews.

English literature and culture are drenched in antisemitic stereotypes. Major British authors throughout the centuries transmitted culturally embedded antisemitism to future generations. Although they did not do so deliberately, it was absorbed and has had a long-term, major impact on British society.
In the new century the United Kingdom is a European leader in several areas of antisemitism. It holds a pioneering position in promoting academic boycotts of Israel. The same is true for trade-union efforts at economic boycotts. There is also no other Western society where jihadi radicalism has proved as violent and dangerous as in the UK.

In the UK the anti-Zionist narrative probably has greater legitimacy than in any other Western society. Antisemitism of the "anti-Zionist" variety has achieved such resonance, particularly in elite opinion, that various British media are leaders in this field. Successive British governments neither share nor have encouraged such attitudes-least of all Prime Ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. They have shown concern over antisemitism and the boycott movement and tried to counteract them. However, Trotskyites who infiltrated the Labour Party and the trade unions in the 1980s have been an important factor in spreading poisonous attitudes. The BBC has also played a role in stimulating pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli attitudes over the years.

http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/S...ritish_Culture

[Wulfhere]

If Jack Straw had one Negroid Grandparent would he be an ethnic Englishman or a Negro with sizeable English ancestry?

Jack Straw is a Jew. He has shown no inclination to release the ties to his Jewish past, and has indeed been named several times by his co-ministers as part of "a cabal of Jewish advisers surrounding Tony Blair".

Having just checked, it turns out that it was his great-grandfather who was Jewish. If the other 7 were English, then I think that makes him English, don't you? Wasn't that the cut-off point used by Himmler, of all people? Or do you subscribe to the one-drop rule? Some races, being more similar, can be assimilated in fewer generations, so your Negro analogy doesn't work. Furthermore, his family are not Jewish by religion, either, so he has no ties at all to his "Jewish past". So on what basis are you calling him Jewish?

[SuuT]

This goes to the heart of the issues that face Europe today, so I'll lay my cards on the table straight away - Jews are our friends, Muslims are not.

I would be remiss if I didn't state that the ability for anyone to point-out a European Jew that does not first and foremost place Traditional Jewish Tribal interest before that of Europe is a rare bird, indeed.

This is not internet 'Nutzism', either: It is a fact of the Jewish people that even they admit to. And good for them on that!

I'll go further and say that anti-Jewishness is based on envy, and these days is still only mainly found in peasant economies of Eastern Europe. Jews, through the centuries, despite many adversities deliberately placed in their way, have risen to the top of the pile, so in Darwinian terms are one of the most successful races around (rivalled only, perhaps, by Ancient Greeks and Anglo-Saxons).

Very Nietzschean.

It is insane for some European nationalists to continue to revile the Jews, and so let in the Muslims by the back door. Jews are an intelligent, cultured and above all adaptable race, and furthermore they already support us to the hilt.

That last bit, there .... Popycock.

[Wulfhere]

I do like Germans

Well, the Italians were their allies - much to the misfortune of the Germans.

[Wulfhere]

Further points about Jack Straw. I'm no fan of the man - he was a total, slimy bastard on Question Time, but on the other hand a few years ago he gained controversy by asking all Muslim women to take off their burqas when in his office.

[Beorn]

If the other 7 were English, then I think that makes him English, don't you?

It would make him a civic-Englishman. I would also consider a potential crypto-Jew.

Wasn't that the cut-off point used by Himmler, of all people?

Fuck Himmler. He was a c**t.

Or do you subscribe to the one-drop rule?

Not at all, but the Jews aren't a distinct race onto themselves anyway.

Some races, being more similar, can be assimilated in fewer generations, so your Negro analogy doesn't work.

It works perfectly. Once a lineage has been identified and narrowed down the individual loses the ability to pass the duck test.

Furthermore, his family are not Jewish by religion, either, so he has no ties at all to his "Jewish past". So on what basis are you calling him Jewish?

Crypto Judaism

[Loki]

... on the other hand a few years ago he gained controversy by asking all Muslim women to take off their burqas when in his office.

Only Jews can get away with doing that kind of thing.

[Wulfhere]

Only Jews can get away with doing that kind of thing.

So the fact that he didn't actually get away with it means he can't be Jewish, then?