Wallace Clan

[Illancha]

There is something mysterious about mountain cultures. Just comparing North Caucasians, Albanians, the Swiss and Scots there somehow seems to be a historical connection between different highland populations even across great distances.

I know some Scottish clans have Y-DNA J2a which is most common among Chechen and Ingush men.

[1stLightHorse]

There is something mysterious about mountain cultures. Just comparing North Caucasians, Albanians, the Swiss and Scots there somehow seems to be a historical connection between different highland populations even across great distances.

I know some Scottish clans have Y-DNA J2a which is most common among Chechen and Ingush men.

They're more rugged, stubborn and are harder people in general IMO.

Albanian Ghegs, Scottish highlanders, Waziristani Pashtuns, Chechen highlanders, In Lebanon the mountain dwellers of Baalbek are the most tough people, etc etc.

The biggest villain of the 21st century almost 2 metres tall: Yemeni highlander: Osama bin laden.

[LightHouse89]

Gallowglass.

Believe it or not my mother's side has alot of old Irish clan surnames of Gallowglass surnames. My father's is mostly Border Rievers, Anglo-Normans from Ireland and Northern Irish/lowland Scot.

[LightHouse89]

English had already began colonizing America before they were ever able to enter Scottish highlands. That should tell you something.

And even through all of this, there was constant inter-tribal warfare among them. Clans were constantly cattle-rustling, looting, thieving, and fighting each other in disputes. Most of the most vicious fights you read about are the ones they reserved for each other.

Irish travelers were known for cattle thieving too in this time. Border reivers too thats how some of my ancestors ended up in Northern Ireland then here too America. The British relocated them because of their cattle thieving and raiding of lands in both Scotland and England. I suppose my ancestors never had respect for authorities.

[LightHouse89]

They're more rugged, stubborn and are harder people in general IMO.

Albanian Ghegs, Scottish highlanders, Waziristani Pashtuns, Chechen highlanders, In Lebanon the mountain dwellers of Baalbek are the most tough people, etc etc.

The biggest villain of the 21st century almost 2 metres tall: Yemeni highlander: Osama bin laden.

Thats what we say about Appalachians here in the US, they were descended from Scottish Highlanders, Lowland Brigand clans, English border Rievers, and Irish rebels. Despite being out numbered ten to one they gave the Union army and US government a run for their money here. The Union was reduced to forcing immigrants into the Army to battle the southerners during the civil wars here. To this day Appalachians give the government here a hard time and they dont even live off the system, they are still very self sufficient and do not live off of welfare like most poor people do here.

Its not in their culture to trust the Feds or anything the Feds offer them hahaha.

[Smaug]

Believe it or not my mother's side has alot of old Irish clan surnames of Gallowglass surnames. My father's is mostly Border Rievers, Anglo-Normans from Ireland and Northern Irish/lowland Scot.

Me too. I have MacNeills in family from Ulster, whose origins are in the Outer Hebrides.

[Stefan_Dusan]

I know some Scottish clans have Y-DNA J2a which is most common among Chechen and Ingush men.

J2a is a neolithic haplogroup, it was spread far and wide in Europe and middle east because the people who carried it were farmers. It seems with Chechens, a lot of lowland farmers ran to the mountains to escape mongol invasions and that is the reason J2a is something like 50-60%.

I2c is not found anywhere near those numbers in any population. There are several reasons for that, one is I2c is so old, it had it's day and it was thousands of years ago, and now the kids are taking over the scene. The other reason is that unlike J2a people, I2c people never seemed to discover agriculture. We were hunter gathers who never had a population boom that comes with civilization. Our traces are in isolated mountains because that's where civilization made less of an impact on the people.

So with the Chechen people I would look at minority haplogroups, and it seems from here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_h...f_the_Caucasus) 0.8% of certain Chechens are I2*. What this I2 is, is not expounded but I'm certain it's I2c just as recent discovery with the Georgian and Armenian nobel families. 0.8% seems like a low insignificant number but in reality I2c is not found in much greater numbers anywhere else, maybe the highest is among Georgians or Cretans where it's just ~5%. The mountains preserved this ancient haplogroup, as ancient as the mountain side faces carved from the deranged winds, but as usual it's just in small amounts that one has to look. It's from these people that the newcomers, the J2a people, who fled to the mountains learned about mountain life.

**sorry for the ridiculousness I'm just building up my haplogroup

[LightHouse89]

Me too. I have MacNeills in family from Ulster, whose origins are in the Outer Hebrides.

Were they a Viking clan? Alot of them in those parts.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Also no tougher people than the Serbian mountain people. We are the only ones recognized by western sources to have kept our independence of the Ottoman Empire, an empire that threatened Vienna, and conquered Mecca. We had the most spectacular killings of Ottoman soldiery (be they actual Turks, Albanians in their service, or other Balkan Ottomans). And in 1700s these Serbs principally from Brda spread into what is now Shumadija, lowlands of forests, and instigated several rebellions started in late 1700s, but mostly major one is 1804. This rebellion in 1804 is the first rebellion of a people against the Ottoman Empire, and it marked the end of Ottoman. Serbs were the first to get our independence in that 1804

[Smaug]

Were they a Viking clan? Alot of them in those parts.

No, Gaelic.