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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Principe View Post
    Indeed, Hitler did have a hands-off policy when it came to the gauleiters and who they chose to "Germanize" in the conquered areas. Greiser chose to drive out his Poles and re-settle the land with German farmers, while Forster simply handed out German passports to all his Poles and declared them officially German. On the other hand, Hitler had a much clearer idea about the USSR areas, and what to do with them.
    Debatable, slavic enslavement as mentioned in General Plan Ost is just Soviet Propaganda. There was an anti-slavic sentiment among many germans at that time but to mention plans of enslavement is totaly out of line, just historical distortion.

    Apart from soviet and allied propaganda the facts are:

    -between 600.000 and 1.5 million russians served under the swastika.

    -Of 12.000 dutch volunteers that flooded the recruiting offices, the SS only accepted 3.000 (25%) into the original Dutch legion.

    -Ukranian recruitment: 29.000 were accepted out of 82.000 applicants (35%).


    Maybe dislike is too strong a word, since Hitler's active hatred was mainly concentrated on Slavs and especially Jews. However, he certainly didn't have a high opinion of the mongrelized racial types that are sadly represented in Southern Europe, and would probably exclude them from the German gene pool. (Don't get me wrong, though, I'm not saying all Southern Europeans are racial mongrels.
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    I'm not going to open a debate of what Hitler thought (altough i could), i will just point that the concept of racial purity/mongrelization by that time is completely outdated and was a product of the ignorance about a science that was on it's infancy.

    Genetic studies have consistently proven that the only pure europeans are the basques and perhaps some baltic countries (if they count the haplogroup N as european and not indo-european) in all others there's a small to moderate percentage of non-european DNA that is very ancient (paleolithic and neolithic and in some cases a little more recent but still quite ancient).

    Just look at the results of the admixture tests from Dodecad and Eurogenes.

    These are the results from the European Admixture (presence of authocthone european DNA in several countries):



    South Italy and Greece show lower percentages than the european average because there is substantial presence of eastern mediterranean DNA wich is caucasian of course.

    The point is: there are several subtypes of european races, having darker features (eyes, skin, hair) doesn't mean mongrelization as it was tought by some nordicists theorists in the 1920's and it is still spread around by some circles.

    As you know the basques (like other southern europeans) have predominatly dark hair and brown/hazel eyes and yet they are racially purer than scandinavians who have predominatly light hair, blue eyes and fairer skin and yet show a small degree of asian (uralic-mongoloid), and other non-european DNA.

    Meh. If it's verified by David Irving, it's good enough for me. On the other hand, it's possible that the court eunuch, Bormann, tampered with his boss Adolf's quotes, but who knows...
    With all due respect but D.Irving is not credible in that matter, he was involved in the negotiation of the fake "Hitler's Diaries" to Stern Magazine in the early 80's by around 3 million US$, he said by that time that the diaries were legitimate when it was proven an obvious fake, wich he recognized later.

    About the "Hitler Table Talk" it was proved already that the last part of the book is a complete fake (even D.Irving says that) and other parts were heavily adulterated, so it is not reliable, most likely the book reflects Bormann's views, not Hitler's.

    Another fake that D.Irving considers legitimate is the Zweites Buch (Hitler's Second Book), wich was supposedly found in a box of an american military wharehouse in the late 50's. The finder of that alleged book (never analyzed by experts or scientists) was the communist jew Gerhard Weinberg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    Debatable, slavic enslavement as mentioned in General Plan Ost is just Soviet Propaganda. There was an anti-slavic sentiment among many germans at that time but to mention plans of enslavement is totaly out of line,
    The specific details of what Hitler's plans entailed can be seen in the earliest pages of this very thread.

    You're not the first person who has said this, though. Many modern fans of Hitler find it hard to swallow the more unpleasant realities about their idol. Me, I have no problem with admiring Hitler's good ideas while also admitting that other aspects of his mind were less-than-pleasant to the modern person.

    between 600.000 and 1.5 million russians served under the swastika.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon_fodder

    I'm not going to open a debate of what Hitler thought (altough i could), i will just point that the concept of racial purity/mongrelization by that time is completely outdated and was a product of the ignorance about a science that was on it's infancy.
    Don't dodge the argument. My point wasn't about the actual genetic purity of Southern Europe (which has been tainted in some places, due to being the natural borderland between Europe and the outside), but rather how Hitler perceived them. Although he certainly held them in much higher esteem than Slavs and Jews, his opinions on them seemed to vary.

    South Italy and Greece show lower percentages than the european average because there is substantial presence of eastern mediterranean DNA wich is caucasian of course.
    "Caucasian" doesn't matter one bit to me. It's a supra-racial category that encompasses anything that is not black or yellow. There are many Caucasoid racial types, such as Arabid and Armenoid, that are racially alien and completely repulsive in my eyes.

    As you know the basques (like other southern europeans) have predominatly dark hair and brown/hazel eyes and yet they are racially purer than scandinavians who have predominatly light hair, blue eyes and fairer skin and yet show a small degree of asian (uralic-mongoloid), and other non-european DNA.
    I wasn't saying that dark hair and hazel eyes are a sign of mongrelization, and you know it. I was obviously talking about non-European facial features, which can be seen in mixed races (however, I find unmixed South Europeans to be among the world's most attractive people). Anyways, that is best left for another debate, since this thread, after all, is about Hitler and WW2.

    About the "Hitler Table Talk" it was proved already that the last part of the book is a complete fake (even D.Irving says that) and other parts were heavily adulterated, so it is not reliable, most likely the book reflects Bormann's views, not Hitler's.
    Interesting. I'll have to look this up, I didn't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    There was an anti-slavic sentiment among many germans at that time but to mention plans of enslavement is totaly out of line, just historical distortion.
    This is not true, Germans always hated and despised Poles, Sorbs and Czechs. In german imperial politics existed definition "drang nach Osten" it mean "penetrated to the east". German and Poles were enemies for milenium and even today polish and german conservatists/nationalists/national socialists hate each other. In our history germans were always, destroyers, enemies, rapists or bloody killers and for Germans calling someone a "Pole" meant insult. It's very sad true but bloody history and hate divided us for ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oisín View Post
    I imagine a victory for Germany in WWII would have meant a much weaker Britain so they would no longer be occupying the north east of Ireland, other than that I don't think Ireland would have been affected too much. Apart from some nice pro-Irish propaganda films I don't think Hitler had too much of an interest in Ireland. Throughout WWII we remained on good diplomatic terms with the Third Reich and De Valera refused to join the Allies despite enormous pressure from the UK so perhaps he would have rewarded us some land in England, that would have been nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baghatur View Post
    This is not true, Germans always hated and despised Poles, Sorbs and Czechs.
    Sorbs are basically German nowadays (wasn't the philosopher Leibniz a Sorb?), so I can't see how there's much "hatred" towards them. Germany's history with Poles is another matter entirely.

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    NS would eventually end up on the historic graveyard the same way how communism did and mega-corporation ruled capitalism will soon. After the collapse of the central ideology we would have the same crap we had after the collapse of communism in former USSR (petty civil wars, corruption, breakdown of the society. etc).

    Why would anyone sane would want that Hitler won?
    Most of my Slavic brethren would be slaughtered or kept in some God-forsaken reservations.

    P.S.: What would happen in NDH (of which Bosnia was a part of) is that it would be settled with Italians and eventually split along the Germano-Italian line in the 60s and I would have third of my nation (and Croats would eventually lose Dalmatia to them) filled with frog eaters with which we have ethnic based wars during the collapse of the NS system of government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloriana Jacinto View Post
    I once was unemployed last year because I came from D.R.I was unemployed for a few weeks and then found 2 jobs and started going back to college.Some people do need benefits but then there are people who do absolutley NOTHing for the rest of their lives.No most of my taxes go to the unemployed that is a fact.Our streets here are digusting so I doubt my taxes are making them better..
    Honey where do you think your government gets 500 billion dollars for it's military spending?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Principe View Post
    Sorbs are basically German nowadays (wasn't the philosopher Leibniz a Sorb?), so I can't see how there's much "hatred" towards them. Germany's history with Poles is another matter entirely.
    Sorbs before XX and XIX century were large minority in modern (East) Saxonia usually they were peasant-class/farmers, when Kingdom of Prussia had introduced compulsory, state education for Sorbs most of them forgotten own slavic identity and become Germans/Prussians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrhbosnian Vanguard View Post
    NS would eventually end up on the historic graveyard the same way how communism did and mega-corporation ruled capitalism will soon. After the collapse of the central ideology we would have the same crap we had after the collapse of communism in former USSR (petty civil wars, corruption, breakdown of the society. etc).

    Why would anyone sane would want that Hitler won?
    Most of my Slavic brethren would be slaughtered or kept in some God-forsaken reservations.

    P.S.: What would happen in NDH (of which Bosnia was a part of) is that it would be settled with Italians and eventually split along the Germano-Italian line in the 60s and I would have third of my nation (and Croats would eventually lose Dalmatia to them) filled with frog eaters with which we have ethnic based wars during the collapse of the NS system of government.
    This. Germany with a Pyrrhic victory would have had tremendous issues.

    Hermann Goering was incredibly corrupt and would had consumed the state in time. The National Socialists were hardly a meritocratic people. There were a lot of people like Goering.

    For the veterans, eventually the men would have to be demobilize and would face labour and market competition from guest workers and satellite states. How can German industry compete with cheaper foreign goods from France and the Netherlands?

    Generous welfare programs, government jobs and subsidies aside - the system appears unsustainable. Maybe that's where the German plan of Lebensraum was supposed to come in - send the young unemployed German men to the East.

    One problem was that they tried this during the war and couldn't convince poor farmers in Germany to relocate to developed areas of Poland, let alone the backwaters of Eastern Europe.


    I'm a bit fatigued with all this blame on Communism for ruining everything.. it's very Stormfront.. Contemporary multiculturalism in the West started in a lot of countries in the 1970s (immigration reform hit all the Western Countries within a few years of each other.. coincidence?) , when the Soviet Union was still around. There were Turks and Afro-Americans in West Berlin in the 80s; while East Berlin was homogenously German.

    The Soviets and Warsaw Pact countries never tolerated internal migration or migration because of the inequalities and strain on infastructure / services which resulted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkR View Post
    How do you think the world and your country specific would've been if Hitler had won WW2?


    If Hitler Won World War II We'd Have A Better, More Just World Today
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    Legendary U.S. General George S. Patton realized late in the war that the United States fought the wrong country. Patton felt the U.S. should have sided with Germany to destroy Jewish Bolshevik/Communist USSR. This information comes from Patton's diary entries, letters he wrote to his wife, and comments he made to military officers and staff.

    If Hitler had won World War II (and he would have had the U.S. and Britain allied with Germany against the USSR) we'd have a more just, fair, and moral Western World today. The rest of the world would have similarly benefited had the Germans been victorious.

    Had Hitler won World War II, what would be different in the post war world? Here are a few examples:

    1 - No USSR (the Soviet government murdered millions of its own people during its 70 year reign - to study this topic read the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn; Hitler would have liberated the USSR, though taking large parts of its Western region for lebensraum, "living space")

    2 - No cold war (because there would be no USSR)

    3 - No Communist Eastern Europe/Iron Curtain (when WWII ended, Eastern Europe fell to Communism - this was part of Stalin's spoils of war)

    4 - No Red China and Mao's subsequent killing of 40 - 60 million Chinese (the USSR created favorable conditions for Mao's Communists which ultimately led to Mao's victory over Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists in 1949, thus if no USSR, no Mao victory)

    5 - No Communist North Vietnam (both the Soviet Union and Red China aided Ho Chi Minh)

    6 - No Communist Cambodia and Pol Pot's slaughter of 2 million Cambodians (Red China aided Pol Pot)

    7 - No dividing Korea into North Korea & South Korea (the allies split Korea after WWII ended, with North Korea becoming Communist... another of Stalin's spoils of war)

    8 - No Communist Cuba (given the previous, what support would Castro have had in the 1950's?)

    9 - No Communism anywhere (Hitler was the world's most fervent anti-Communist)

    10 - Liberalism & multiculturalism wouldn't dominate Western ethos (both are Jewish creations and both have always been heavily promoted/advanced by Jews; thus if no Jewish influence, then no liberalism and no multiculturalism... at least certainly nowhere near the degree we see today)

    11 - No Cultural Marxism and no political correctness (these are social engineering "tools" which came out of the Jewish think tank known as the Frankfurt School)

    12 - No third world immigration into Western nations (Jews wouldn't be in power positions to craft and force through liberal immigration laws; Jews are responsible for each Western nation's liberal immigration policy, as most were orchestrated by the World Jewish Congress)

    13 - No depraved filth on TV, in movies, etc. (because Jews wouldn't run Hollywood)

    14 - No widespread pornography (Jewish lawyers and Jewish activists were the main challengers of anti-obscenity laws, under the guise of "Freedom of Speech")

    15 - There would still be prayer in public schools (Jewish lawyers were instrumental in banning prayer in public schools under the guise of so-called "separation of church and state," something that appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution)

    16 - No man-hating radical feminist movement (Jews such as Betty Friedan, Sonia Pressman, and Gloria Steinem, among others, were the key drivers of radical feminism)

    17 - No Israel and all the problems it has brought the USA and the immeasurable misery it has wrought on the Palestinians

    18 - Jews would be living in Madagascar (perhaps) and would be carefully monitored (Madagascar was one place Hitler considered as a Jewish homeland)

    Many reading this will ask, "But what about the Holocaust?" The Holocaust has been grossly exaggerated by organized Jewry in order to create sympathy for Jews worldwide and thus help advance the Jewish agenda (i.e., people seen as victims tend to get their way). It is also used as a political weapon to justify Israeli militarism against the Palestinians. Hitler's Final Solution (rebranded in the early 1970's as the "Holocaust") was a plan to remove Jews from Europe, not to kill them. During WWII, just as the U.S. couldn't trust Japanese Americans, thus causing FDR to round many of them up and place them in concentration camps, Hitler couldn't trust Jews since many were partisans sympathetic to the USSR and hence they aided the USSR in various subversive, anti-German activities. Therefore the Nazis rounded up Jews and placed them in concentration camps. Somewhere around one million Jews died during WWII (not six million) mostly due to disease and starvation in the final months of the war. Allied bombing of German occupied Europe destroyed many roads, rail lines, and bridges making it impossible for Germany to adequately supply the camps with food and medicine. The result is that many Jews died of starvation and disease; and of course many non-Jews also died of starvation and disease (again, due to a massive Allied bombing campaign and its destruction of German transportation infrastructure). Lastly, there were no "gas chambers." Much has been written about this. To study this subject, read the research papers published by Germar Rudolf & Carlo Mattogno (there are many others as well).

    It should also be noted that Hitler never wanted to "conquer the world." He simply wanted to safeguard Europe from nefarious Jewish influence and safeguard the world from usurious Jewish banking.

    Sadly, FDR and Churchill were puppets of International Jewry; each sold his soul for power and prestige. World War II was a war between two competing ideologies: Nationalism -vs- Jewish Bolshevik Internationalism/globalism -- and unfortunately International Jewry won.

    Was World War II "the good war?" No, it was exactly the opposite. The Allied victory marked the beginning of the end of Western Civilization.

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