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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallamedes View Post
    I'd rather have lived in Roman times during the golden age than in Nazi Germany, where my skull might not've been the right size and shape or my family tree not Aryan enough.
    That was just one faction around Himmler that was into all that crazy stuff. The actual Nuremburg laws (citizenship) and eugenics laws weren't all that strict, even 1/4 jewish ancestry was allowed under the Nuremburg laws and only the eugenics laws targeted the retarded and criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordoftheVistula View Post
    That was just one faction around Himmler that was into all that crazy stuff. The actual Nuremburg laws (citizenship) and eugenics laws weren't all that strict, even 1/4 jewish ancestry was allowed under the Nuremburg laws and only the eugenics laws targeted the retarded and criminals.
    On the one hand, supposing I was born the way I was born in my present incarnation, I wouldn't have made it (I was born premature with a strep infection, mild cerebral palsy, I clinically died a number of times etc.), it would've been a world without me. On the other hand, if I was born in Nazi Germany, the hospital would've never had an incompetent doctor, with a filthy environment which had run out of Caesarian tools.

    The logical problem with alternative history scenarios is that you don't just hypothetically change "x" event, but by changing "x" event you create "x1" which sets off a chain of alternate events which never existed that compound on each other. The results of this one change and its effects being ultimately inconceivable. Logic aside, theory and alternative history novels are still interesting.


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    How do you think the world would've been if Hitler had won WW2?



    "What if"? Well I can say that debates like that have no sense and any value at all, we have one timeline history and you cannot change it nevermind how much you would like to.

    And personally I'd say that Hitler could not win whole WW2, cause only a moron (like him) attacks all neighbors and all world around at the same time. Face it, from strategical and tactical point of view he was complete idiot, moron and amateur. Be realist he had no chances.

    Beside's his racial, social and economical policy was a total absurd and crap.

    Even if you still belief that Hitler could won then after years of occupation he would be most hated person in history by all nations within Europe and propabaly outside of it, Europe would become kind of Palestine and place of mass terrorizing. Hundrets or thousands of uprising's, acts of terror (thats how would nazi propaganda call it), assasinations of Hitler and the nazi elite (thats more than sure). Germans would become Soviet like pan-germanic (but not so really pan-germanic) "Union of The National Socialistic Republics", quite similar to plans of European Union. Nazis would become same or worse than stalinists. But after some years they would be die by natural death, just like USSR, then Germans would be really fucked up and treated really badly.

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    That is my point of view as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brännvin View Post
    It would not be that different , there would be an uprising, but the world would not ultimately stand for it, and it would level out, or the war would continue with other countries involved and it might turn out as a democracy eventually, or maybe as the worst case scenario everyone would live in oppression and poverty still, or the war would never end (since that the National Socialism was a destructive psychopathic ideology) and people just keep killing each other endlessly, who knows.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    [b]The Japanese have more in common with Germans than most Slavs ever will.
    Yeah, I totally agree on that! Heinrich Himmler was a living proof of ancient link between mongoloids and Germans!

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    It’s pretty difficult to extrapolate back to a given date in history and say “what if”. What if Harold had won at Hastings in 1066, what if the Duke of Parma’s army landed in Kent in 1588, what if Lee had won at Gettysburg in 1863……

    The further you go back the more difficulties. Personally I believe the big what if for Second World War history is what if Hitler hadn’t invaded the USSR in 1941? It’s also the most nonsensical, Hitler’s intention was always to create lebensraum in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, there was simply no likelihood that he wouldn’t have invaded the USSR. It’s also pretty difficult, as a result, to see how the Wehrmacht would have prevailed over the Red Army.

    Many would argue that England could have, and should have, stayed out of the war. I believe they could have for a while, there is no real indication from what I understand that Hitler had any ambitions against the UK, indeed he even offered German troops to preserve the British Empire, which is interesting given our “special friends” the Americans did everything possible to destroy the British Empire and Roosevelt was reluctant to shed the blood of a single Yankee trooper to defend it. In 1939 Britain could have stayed out of the war, could we have stayed out by the late 1940’s when Hitler (if by some sequence of improbable events he defeated Stalin) moved to settle accounts with France? Probably not, Britain had to go to war in 1914 to prevent the Germans controlling the Rhine and the French Channel coast; we would have had to have done so again if Hitler wanted to punish France, we probably would have lost.

    The likely event is that if Britain hadn’t gone to war in 1939 Germany would still have lost and it’s highly likely that Soviet troops would have been on the Rhine, if not on the Channel coast. Given how quickly the extreme Left infiltrated European politics post 1945 with the backlash against nationalism, the takeover of the Left with the proximity of Soviet forces would have been assured, with Britain either a dependency of Moscow if not directly controlled America could have done little.

    If Germany had won or managed to hold it’s conquests in Europe I don’t see much that would have prevented the complete collapse of their empire with Hitler’s eventual death, the Nazis weren’t really an ideology, they were, by and large, a one man show. Remember that Hitler hadn’t wanted to control Western Europe or Scandinavia, the haphazard way these regions were occupied demonstrates that the Nazis didn’t have much of a plan.

    Personally I don’t see any of the likely scenarios as encouraging, at least from a British point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    The Japanese have more in common with Germans than most Slavs ever will. I hate when this point is brought up.
    Seriously, one of the most ignorant comments I've read here. Germans, or better Germanic people along with Slavs may possibly be traced back their roots to the Corded Ware culture.


    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    The Japanese thrived and lived in almost an identical way as Europeans.
    Tell that to a Japanese person, he/she will take it as an offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariets View Post



    Himmler = Mongoloid. No one can say nay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Óttar View Post



    Himmler = Mongoloid. No one can say nay.
    separated at birth lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brännvin View Post
    Tell that to a Japanese person, he/she will take it as an offense.
    Au contraire, in the 19th and 20th centuries (perhaps even today) they would be flattered. The Japanese were very quick to adopt Western technology wholeheartedly. One Japanese ambassador even suggested bringing in blonde haired, blue eyed English women in order to infuse the Japanese with European blood. Many Japanese took to meat eating to imitate Europeans and become strong like them. During the Meiji Era, the Japanese brought in German lawyers, economists, and engineers. The Meiji constitution was drafted by a German lawyer. The Japanese justified the conquest of the Chinese, i.e. the same people who introduced Confucianism to them centuries earlier, by claiming they were superior and the rightful rulers of a united East Asia.

    Even to this day, my friend who knows a Japanese person, asked him why the Japanese have so whole heartedly adopted American technology and aspects of their culture. The man replied: "You defeated us in war, we figure you must be superior."


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    Did the Japanese emulate westerners to become "one of the gang" or because they wanted to become the top dogs of Asia? I don't think it was out of envy that they copied western ways so well.

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