SSA Admixture in North Africans

[Willem]

From least to most 'African' in North Africa:

1. Jewish North Africans.
2. Coptic Egyptians.
3. Delta Muslim Egyptians.
4. Tunisians.
5. Northern Moroccans/Algerians/Libyans.
6. Southern Muslim Egyptians
7. Southern Moroccans/Algerians/Libyans
8. Northern Sudanese

[Maguzanci]

No idea. It's just one sample though, no need to focus on it. Morisco is very unlikely because it's too old.


From a French perspective, it was nearly impossible for French settlers to mix with natives or to have a native marry into a French family. French Algeria was highly segregated and Europeans sticked to their own, Jews with Jews and natives with natives. Some secular Jewish and Euro/French mixes were probably more common at the end of colonization, but that's it.

The real mixes to mention is the Europeans in Algeria were of various backgrounds, like Spanish, Maltese, Italian, Alsacian etc. Those were the actual mixes happening in French North Africa.

There were less Europeans in Morocco and Tunisia (protectorates and not colonies per se) but the same thing applied.

So you have no idea for this Moroccan individual sample? What do you think is the cause behind his/her low SSA compared to average native?

[Gaston]

So you have no idea for this Moroccan individual sample? What do you think is the cause behind his/her low SSA compared to average native?

The reason doesn't really matter for outliers, whether among North Africans, Europeans, Choctaw people or whatever population. That Moroccan individual is not a native, not fully at least.

[MisterGaga]

From least to most 'African' in North Africa:

1. Jewish North Africans.
2. Coptic Egyptians.
3. Delta Muslim Egyptians.
4. Tunisians.
5. Northern Moroccans/Algerians/Libyans.
6. Southern Muslim Egyptians
7. Southern Moroccans/Algerians/Libyans
8. Northern Sudanese

Whatever genetics , it is biased. And even the African % differences between Copts , Egyptian Muslims and Maghrebis are not drastically different at all. The most difference would be that the Caucasoid ancestry of Egyptians is mostly Yemenite/Arabian-like while the ancestry of the Berbers is alot more WHG/Mediterranean-derived.


Phenotypically from least to most African in North Africa :

1. Coastal Algerians (and at top 1 of it Central Algerian-Kabyle Berbers)
2. North Moroccans (Rifians, Tangier-Tetouan , Fes-Meknes) and Northern Tunisians (Bizerte-Tunis regions)
3. Most other Moroccans (especially Atlas Mountains , Central Moroccans) and Tunisians.
4. Coastal Libyans and Deltan Egyptians equally (the phenotypical distinction Coptic vs Egyptian Muslim is bullshit).
6. Some Southern Moroccans
7. Southern Egyptians
8. Southern Algerians
9. Nubians/Sudanese Arabs.

[Maguzanci]

From least to most 'African' in North Africa:
1. Jewish North Africans.
2. Coptic Egyptians.
3. Delta Muslim Egyptians.
4. Tunisians.
5. Northern Moroccans/Algerians/Libyans.
6. Southern Muslim Egyptians
7. Southern Moroccans/Algerians/Libyans
8. Northern Sudanese

So Tunisians have less African than North Moroccans/Algerians/Libyans?

[Maguzanci]

The reason doesn't really matter for outliers, whether among North Africans, Europeans, Choctaw people or whatever population. That Moroccan individual is not a native, not fully at least.

Ok so that Moroccan is not fully native and absolutely have foreign ancestry? Aren't you curious about some outliers?

[Sockorer]

North Africans are true sand niggers.

[MisterGaga]

So Tunisians have less African than North Moroccans/Algerians/Libyans?

No they don't. They have exactly the same amounts.

[Maguzanci]

No they don't. They have exactly the same amounts.

what about egyptians (muslims and copts)?

[Gaston]

So Tunisians have less African than North Moroccans/Algerians/Libyans?

No, there is no difference between Tunisians and the rest actually. There is also no difference between North and South in these countries. For instance, native South Moroccans are similar to Algerians and whatnot, it is just that Southern Morocco has a lot more outliers with recent ancestry from West Africa than others because it was until recently a major slavery market.

Ok so that Moroccan is not fully native and absolutely have foreign ancestry? Aren't you curious about some outliers?

Not at all curious. Outliers are the results of very recent admixture, so any random and uninteresting family story can be the reason of foreign ancestry. A European who is half gypsy for instance is an outlier in Europe and holds no particularly interesting information on the origins of Europeans.