Are people with naturally olive/light brown skin but European facial traits "White" as such?

[Tooting Carmen]

This is asking the reverse question of another recently-opened thread. After all, many Cypriots, Maltese, Portuguese, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks and even some Brits, Irish, French, Germans and Poles have naturally olive/light brown skin even when untanned, but their facial traits are still largely if not entirely European.

Examples:

Portugal


Spain


Italy


Greece


Britain


France


Germany

[portusaus]

The examples you've posted are white. "Whiteness" is determined by the lack of foreign admixture moreso than phenotype.

[Tooting Carmen]

The examples you've posted are white. "Whiteness" is determined by the lack of foreign admixture moreso than phenotype.

Being such a proud White supremacist, would you not admit that, disregarding their facial traits, a high percentage of Portuguese people are actually quite dark-skinned?

[zhaoyun]

"White" in itself is a social construct. So yes, these would be socially White in most any Western country. They would not be Northern European though obviously. If White is defined solely by Northern Euro heritage as it once was, then no, these would not be, but as the scope of Whiteness has expanded in the last century, these would now be considered "White".

[Insuperable]

White people are people of fully 'northern' (non-southern) European descent irregardless of minor deviations. Discussion is redundant.

[armenianbodyhair]

Zulu

[Tooting Carmen]

Any more votes and suggestions?

[Tooting Carmen]

"White" in itself is a social construct. So yes, these would be socially White in most any Western country. They would not be Northern European though obviously. If White is defined solely by Northern Euro heritage as it once was, then no, these would not be, but as the scope of Whiteness has expanded in the last century, these would now be considered "White".

But three of those examples are actually Northern Europeans without (known) foreign ancestry, yet they still have a dark skin tone.

[Alphawolf]

I voted for "No". In Germany they would consider them as "Kanaken". Kanake is a pejorative/racist word to refer to so called guest-workers from Italy, Turkey and Greece and their children in Germany.

[Tooting Carmen]

I voted for "No". In Germany they would consider them as "Kanaken". Kanake is a pejorative/racist word to refer to so called guest-workers from Italy, Turkey and Greece and their children in Germany.

Well OK, but even some Germans themselves can be swarthy (albeit a small minority, as with Brits), such as the footballer Mats Hummels, who I posted in the OP.