Jomon mtDNA

[Hexachordia]

Face it, N9 is full mongoloid, she left your ancestor and arrived in Japan around 5000BC.

[ButlerKing]

Why are you so confused? do you expect pure jomons to be self-fertilizing hermaphrodite? , mtdna a b c f n m were originally with jomons and ainus. This is the fact about ugly asian females.

So than Jomon mtDNA is possibly 30 - 50 % in Japanese


M7a is found 36 - 38% in some Jomon, some are less with only 3.7% to 7.9%. It's found 17.9% in the Ainu.

M7a is very rare in Asians, they are found only in low frequencies. Koreans have 0.5% to 3.8% and Chinese 0%, but Koreans did intermarried with Japanese in the past


N9b is found 60-68% in Jomon but most of time only 2.9% in Ainu. N9b is also 0.5% in Koreans

[Hexachordia]

So than Jomon mtDNA is possibly 30 - 50 % in Japanese


M7a is found 36 - 38% in some Jomon, some are less with only 3.7% to 7.9%. It's found 17.9% in the Ainu.

M7a is very rare in Asians, they are found only in low frequencies. Koreans have 0.5% to 3.8% and Chinese 0%, but Koreans did intermarried with Japanese in the past

N9b is found 60-68% in Jomon but most of time only 2.9% in Ainu. N9b is also 0.5% in Koreans

Actually most important genetic data about chinese people is still kept secret, how do you know exactly about M7 distribution in China?

From wikipedia:

Haplogroup M7 [7] - found in East Asia, especially in Japan, southern China, Vietnam,[34] and Laos[30]

M7 has southeast asian origin, the most strange thing here is about their migration not its absence among some japanese ethnics.

Polynesians migration is still an unsolved mystery, you should read Graham Hancock.

[ButlerKing]

Actually most important genetic data about chinese people is still kept secret, how do you know exactly about M7 distribution in China?

Because this Japanese study of Chinese mtDNA and Chinese mtDNA in Japan shows 0% M7a.

"Mitochondrial DNA analysis of Hokkaido Jomon skeletons: remnants of archaic maternal lineages at the southwestern edge of former Beringia,

From wikipedia:

M7 has southeast asian origin, the most strange thing here is about their migration not its absence among some japanese ethnics.

Polynesians migration is still an unsolved mystery, you should read Graham Hancock.

M7a is different to M7b.

M7a is common only in Ainu, Japanese, Okinawans and ancient Jomons, it is very rare in southeast Asia. M7b definitely have Southeast Asian origin.

[Hexachordia]

Because this Japanese study of Chinese mtDNA and Chinese mtDNA in Japan shows 0% M7a.

"Mitochondrial DNA analysis of Hokkaido Jomon skeletons: remnants of archaic maternal lineages at the southwestern edge of former Beringia,



M7a is different to M7b.

M7a is common only in Ainu, Japanese, Okinawans and ancient Jomons, it is very rare in southeast Asia. M7b definitely have Southeast Asian origin.

Like O2a and O2b in ydna, they are separated by several thousand years of mutation, probably m7a is cold adapted. The ancestor of M7a is still in southeast Asia.

[ButlerKing]

Like O2a and O2b in ydna, they are separated by several thousand years of mutation, probably m7a is cold adapted. The ancestor of M7a is still in southeast Asia.

One hypothesis is Ainu ancestors came from today's southern Southeast Asia and migrated to todays South Japan from Okinawa islands

[ButlerKing]

Like O2a and O2b in ydna, they are separated by several thousand years of mutation, probably m7a is cold adapted. The ancestor of M7a is still in southeast Asia.

1st group Yayoi

2nd group Japanese

3rd group Jomon

As you can see M7a, M7b, M10, exist in this Jomon group and Japanese but not Yayoi group ( Neo-Mongoloid ancestor of Japanese )


So if Japanese were result of these Jomon group mixing with Yayoi group, I estimate their Jomon mtDNA contribution is at 28% - 36% in Japanese people.

[Hexachordia]

One hypothesis is Ainu ancestors came from today's southern Southeast Asia and migrated to todays South Japan

Ynda c3 and d2 all have southeast asian origin, the subclades developed within 5000-8000 years. Like the case of Otzi man, his mtdna is almost extinct, probably representing an ancient subclade lost in war or disasters, but many people share the same maternal genetic ancestor with him from 8000Bc, genetic mutation never stops, spme ethnic under a certain envrioenment will develop unique subclades,maybe had lost to history or survived untill today like ainu and jomons.

From the case of Oetzi, we can see, only a few thousand yreas, unique to ethnic identity subclades may rise and vanish.

The first study: Researchers were able to analyze a segment of oetzi mitochondrial DNA in this study.

They determined that he belonged to the genetic group (called a haplogroup by DNA researchers) known as K, a group to which about 8 percent of modern Europeans belong. The K haplogroup has two lineages or sub-groups (called subhaplogroups) identified as K-1 and K-2. Researchers in the early study also determined that the Iceman belonged to the K-1 subhaplogroup.

This finding suggested that many people (who share the K-1 subhaplogroup) shared a common female ancestor with oetzi.

The second study (2008): The new study, according to biologist Franco Rollo of the University of Camerino, Italy, provides "the oldest complete human mitochondrial DNA sequence generated to date."

In this study, researchers retrieved a complete version of oetzi mitochondrial DNA. Although they, too, found that oetzi belonged to the K-1 subhaplogroup, the analysis went further. The K-1 subhaplogroup has three branches or clusters (K1a, K1b, and K1c--all found in the modern European population). The new study revealed that oetzi belonged to a previously unidentified cluster (now called K1ö, for oetzi).

According to researchers Rollo, as quoted on medicalnewstoday.com, "This doesn't simply mean that oetzi had some 'personal' mutations making him different from the others but that, in the past, there was a group - a branch of the phylogenetic tree - of men and women sharing the same mitochondrial DNA. Apparently, this genetic group is no longer present. We don't know whether it is extinct or it has become extremely rare." Another researcher, Martin Richards, a professor of biology at the University of Leeds in northern England, added, "Our research suggests that oetzi's lineage may indeed have become extinct."

This proves, only a few thousand years can develop many subclades for different cultures. Consider oetzis mtdna developed from the same ancestor with the modern european mtdna k1a-b-c, and this subclade disappeared 5300 ago, according to wiki:

It is the most common subclade of haplogroup U8,[3] and it has an estimated age of c. 12,000 years BP.[4]

We see, only in 5000 years, we had this unique subclade(not ancestral to K1a-b-c), and another 5000 years, we have k1a-b-c...

Lets apply this to M, the migration that separates M7a and M7b will not be too long.

[Hexachordia]

1st group Yayoi

2nd group Japanese

3rd group Jomon

As you can see M7a, M7b, M10, exist in this Jomon group and Japanese but not Yayoi group ( Neo-Mongoloid ancestor of Japanese )


So if Japanese were result of these Jomon group mixing with Yayoi group, I estimate their Jomon mtDNA contribution is at 28% - 36% in Japanese people.

Do you have ancient yayoi mtdna? if dont, this is unfounded.

[ButlerKing]

Ynda c3 and d2 all have southeast asian origin, the subclades developed within 5000-8000 years. Like the case of Otzi man, his mtdna is almost extinct, probably representing an ancient subclade lost in war or disasters, but many people share the same maternal genetic ancestor with him from 8000Bc, genetic mutation never stops, spme ethnic under a certain envrioenment will develop unique subclades,maybe had lost to history or survived untill today like ainu and jomons.

From the case of Oetzi, we can see, only a few thousand yreas, unique to ethnic identity subclades may rise and vanish.



This proves, only a few thousand years can develop many subclades for different cultures. Consider oetzis mtdna developed from the same ancestor with the modern european mtdna k1a-b-c, and this subclade disappeared 5300 ago, according to wiki:

We see, only in 5000 years, we had this unique subclade(not ancestral to K1a-b-c), and another 5000 years, we have k1a-b-c...

Lets apply this to M, the migration that separates M7a and M7b will not be too long.

M7b and M7b2 is actually found highest in Taiwanese aborigine tribes called Seediq and other tribes but lower frequencies