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    Quote Originally Posted by Murri View Post
    In the Tohoku region since Abe no Hirafu's expedition the Emishi of the local area, Mutsu, Dewa and as far as Kanto plain were heavily assimiliated into Yamato society and they started using Japanese names and surnames, many Japanese records speak of Tohoku and partially Kanto plain people being 90% assimiliated local emishi, carriers of D2

    Hokkaido was firstly settled by an O2 carriet Yamato clan called Matsumae, after the Meji restoration it is stated that 70%+ of the population are nothing else but japanized Ainu who took Japanese names and surnames.

    Despite being changed in the last century 80% of the toponyms in Hokkaido are in Ainu language, Sapporo the largest city of the island is one, you have many Ainu based language toponyms in Tohoku and upper Kanto too.
    The Emishi were said to be Ainu and Half Ainu/Yayoi.

    Emishi don't exist anymore. Emishi looking people is basically 0% in Tohoku and Kanto ad only a very few claim descendants of Emishi



    Kazuhiko YOSHIDA, descendant of Emishi, the only few who claim Emishi but he look about as Emishi as a Korean does.


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    There is nothing uniquely different about them to other Japanese this includes Chinese, Koreans, Mongolians.

    Tohoku people


    Kanto people

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    Northern Kyushu remains the less or not affected area by Jomonic HG D2 genetics, Kyushu itself has low HG D2(20%) but the northern area is probably 90%+ HG O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murri View Post
    A theory places the Yayoi in Southern China and not in Korea, after invasions these people cross the Yangtzee river and initially arrive in northern Kyushu, eradicating the Jomon completely and later move into Nara and north-central Shikoku establishing the initial Yamato territories.

    HG O2b1 is present in 24% of Japanese males and only 8% of Korean males, this HG is totally absent in Chinese, Manchu or other East Asian populations, many scholars link O2b1 to the Yayoi who founded Yamato state.

    https://heritageofjapan.wordpress.co...ayoi-arrivals/

    1. As far as I know, yayoi came to japan thru the following route. so they might be ancient korean or chinese. if they came from china, modern japanese genes should have been close to modern chinese.

    2. There is a word "Nara" in Korea, which means "country"

    3. Farmers and their languages - Jared Diamond


    7. Japanese. Around 400 B.C., intensive rice agriculture, new pottery styles, and new tools, all based on Korean models, appeared on the southwestmost Japanese island of Kyushu near Korea and spread northeast up the
    Japanese archipelago.

    Genes and skeletons of the modern Japanese suggest that they arose as a hybrid population between arriving Korean rice farmers and a prior Japanese population similar to the modern Ainu and responsible
    for Japan’s earlier Jomon pottery
    . Modern southwest-to-northeast gene clines in Japan and DNA extracted from ancient
    skeletons support this interpretation (59, 60). Japanese origins would thus rival Bantu origins as the most concordant and unequivocal example of an agricultural expansion, were it not for the flagrant discordance of the linguistic
    evidence. If Korean farmers really did become dominant in Japan as recently as 400 B.C., one might have expected the modern Japanese and Korean languages to be as closely similar as other languages that diverged at such a recent date (e.g., German and Swedish), whereas their relationship is in fact much more distant.
    The likely explanation is language replacement in the Korean homeland. Early Korea consisted of three kingdoms with distinct languages. The modern Korean language is derived from that of the ancient Korean kingdom of Silla, the ingdom that unified Korea. However, the now-extinct language of one of the two ancient Korean kingdoms
    that Silla defeated, Koguryo, was much more similar to Old Japanese than is Sillan or modern Korean (61). Thus, a Koguryo-like language may have been spoken by the Korean farmers arriving in Japan, may have evolved into modern Japanese, and may have been replaced in Korea itself by Sillan that evolved into modern Korean.
    -I show all Anthropology, archaeology, genetics data.
    Last edited by johen; 09-17-2016 at 03:36 PM.

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