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    Circulus in probando... among other things...

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    "The law of karma exists and it demands that we meet every bit of our karmic debts. However, an even greater law exists, the law of forgiveness. If we wrong someone and that person forgives us, when the day comes that we approach God, we realize our memories which are incompatible with God, but forgiveness removes the barrier of separation. The law is so precise (what one gives one receives; no exceptions) that if we begin forgiving others, we begin to receive forgiveness upon ourselves. Unless, of course, we refuse to forgive ourselves." (Edgar Cayce)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    "The law of karma exists and it demands that we meet every bit of our karmic debts. However, an even greater law exists, the law of forgiveness. If we wrong someone and that person forgives us, when the day comes that we approach God, we realize our memories which are incompatible with God, but forgiveness removes the barrier of separation. The law is so precise (what one gives one receives; no exceptions) that if we begin forgiving others, we begin to receive forgiveness upon ourselves. Unless, of course, we refuse to forgive ourselves." (Edgar Cayce)
    Isn't Edgar Cayce the supposed psychic who made many silly predictions that never happened?

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    Many people would be very surprised at the tremendous amount of references to reincarnation in the Bible. The most compelling references in the Bible comes from the teachings of Jesus concerning John the Baptist and his former life as Elijah the prophet.

    "One of the purposes of the life review is to make an informed choice between remaining in spirit and returning to flesh. Should we choose to merge completely with the light of God, we will never again be able to choose, on our own decision, to return to physical life. The decision to merge in the light is the best decision." (Thomas Sawyer)

    The purpose of reincarnation is education - particularly, learning the eternal lessons of love.

    Factors Influencing the Reincarnation Process

    1. Individual choice (free will)
    2. Karmic patterns or ties to other souls
    3. Learning or enlightenment (Amber Wells' NDE research)

    "Life itself is a series of learnings. The lessons are universal, the two most important being truth and forgiveness." (Amber Wells' NDE research)

    "After death, when we are ready, we can choose to view our past lives for the purpose of instruction. (Betty Bethards)
    "The chief purpose of reincarnation is education. To this end we are born again and again on Earth, not because of any external pressure, but because we, as souls, desire to grow." (Amber Wells' NDE research)

    "The only way to bypass bad karma is to develop so much unselfish love that paying for bad karma will serve no purpose - much like a college student challenging a course he already knows." (Arthur Yensen)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    Isn't Edgar Cayce the supposed psychic who made many silly predictions that never happened?
    I don't know what predictions he made, but the accounts of people with NDE collaborate his claims

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    I don't know what predictions he made, but the accounts of people with NDE collaborate his claims
    My understanding of NDE is everyone who has experienced it feel pretty good about themselves. It's the ultimate high.

    I find it a bit insulting to victims of a crime that they suffer further in the after life because they couldn't forgive someone who behaved horribly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    My understanding of NDE is everyone who has experienced it feel pretty good about themselves. It's the ultimate high.

    I find it a bit insulting to victims of a crime that they suffer further in the after life because they couldn't forgive someone who behaved horribly.
    The reason an unforgiving person suffers is because hate is a destructive and toxic emotion. By not forgiving someone you become his prisoner.



    The healing power of forgiveness is well researched by scientists. When you have a resentment, grievance or fear, these emotions are negative vibrations that release hormones such as adrenaline and cortisol.

    These hormones have effects on the cardiovascular and on the immune systems. You become immune compromised, even your platelets get jittery with the high levels of adrenaline and they start the clothing cascade leading to cardiovascular illnesses, heart attacks and stroke. On the other hand when you forgive and let go the burden of judgment, everything settles down and your body starts to return to homeostasis, which is self regulation and self healing.

    By Sandra Weaver

    The healing power of forgiveness is the key to peace, health and happiness. Certain people deemed "unworthy" of forgiveness such as murderers, rapists, ex-spouses, parents, bad children, etc. are often excluded as candidates for forgiveness. No person is innately bad. What they have are deep unhealed wounds, and so do the rest of us.

    It takes great learning to realize All people and circumstances are worthy of the power of forgiveness.

    I can hear some of you now. "But they don’t deserve to be forgiven after what they did!" Atrocities large and small are calls for help and acceptance. Punishing them does not fix them! It makes them worse, which our failed criminal justice system shows!

    You can't heal a negative action with another negative action.

    ​​Forgiveness heals and empowers the one who forgives. The Law of Forgiveness works with the Energy of allowance and The Law of Love so that one is able to transmute limiting Frequencies - Thoughts, Feelings, Emotions and Actions expressing themselves through us. The old Energy of an eye for an eye keeps the Vibration of an individual very low, and therefore in a world riddled with Fear and scarcity.

    Forgiving someone else does not condone their actions or lessen your Power. In fact, Forgiveness Empowers you and it frees you. Why? Because ultimately you are Forgiving yourself: you are the other. On a Spiritual level, we are all One. As you release your stories of limitation and victimization, you release the anchors that hold them in your Now experience. This particular shift allows you to Attract new Possibilities and Create improved Probabilities for yourself. The act of Forgiveness releases repressed Emotions such as guilt and anger that Create actual toxins in your Physical body. These toxins block the neural and energetic pathways so the body cannot heal itself. To Forgive is to release old grudges, anger and resentment, allowing The Law of Grace to activate. The Karma that an individual has stored in his or her Akasha is Transformed, providing the catalyst for a re-Formation of personal expression and experience. Peace is the Natural outgrowth of the Law of Forgiveness and Love. Forgiveness is Holiness (Whole-ness) and it always involves varying degrees of Self Responsibility and a Change in perspective, giving endless Opportunity for re-Solution and ongoing personal Harmony.

    On the other hand, Forgiving yourself can also literally heal you, since all dis-ease is repressed and discordant Energy that gets bult up and stored in the body, leaving us toxic. Through Self Forgiveness these reminders and memories have permission to release, and although uncomfortable in the short term, it allows you to shift your perception and remove your own veils. True healing will now commence. As you recognize the repetitive Pattern(s) occurring around you, Forgive yourself for Attracting the discordant experience(s) into your Life to begin with.

    When using Forgiveness as a healing tool, remember that we, as well as our dramas, are layered - Forgiving someone for standing you up last Friday is a good step towards exploring the deeper Truth of the need for Self Correction.

    Ultimately, Forgiveness is a Mystical Revelation and an experience that frees you from your Karmic entanglements.

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    I can agree that forgiving someone can be beneficial to one's health and state of mind. I, however, have a hard time forgiving others and even a harder time forgiving myself. So I guess I'm in for a treat at the end of my road.

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    Not this shit again.

    Once again, it don't mean shit what anyone believes. Believing is a dumbass way to discern reality.

    What you or I believe means squat to reality.

    You can disbelieve gravity all you fucking want, jump off a highrise you still gonna be a wetspot down below, no matter how strong your faith in non existnce of gravity is.

    Asking people what they believe is dumb. Their opinion is as valid as yours.

    Knowing beats the shit out of believing every fucking time.

    Are you sure you are qualified to make a definite statement about the laws that govern reality, both so far known and unknown to men?

    Don't worry about karma, worry about your own understanding of reality.
    A Fanatical Buddhist

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