The Slavs in Greece...

[Scholarios]

This thread has the potential of turning into a fiery fest

Not necessary at all. As descendants of Pericles and Aristotle we should all be willing to discuss these things without emotion

[Linebacker]

Well, Greeks are Greeks, Slavs are Slavs- but we are hopelessly mixed with each other-- as the looks, traditions, toponyms, languages, and historical records show.

Unless you are talking about those fellows around Florina- or they migrant workers. They are all definitely Slavs.

Well the looks part can be tricky.But when Im in Greece people always take me for a Greek.

Im usually visiting at beaches and resorts because your sea is better than ours.And as expected there are many other foreigners there too.Usually when Greeks there see someone who looks like an obvious foreigner they speak English to him.But wherever I go people always speak to me in Greek,at bars,nightclubs,cafes.

And since I don't know any Greek myself it always leads to funny situations.

[Hithaeglir]

Not necessary at all. As descendants of Pericles and Aristotle we should all be willing to discuss these things without emotion

Of course I'll be waiting though

[Fakirbakir]

Large part of today's Greeks are South Slavs,specially around the Balkan borders.


Im in Greece every summer and Im surprised how.many Greeks actually speak Bulgarian.

These Slavophones are "Slavic-speaking" Greeks. Greek nationalists tend to say Macedonian national identity does not exist.

[Linebacker]

These Slavophones are "Slavic-speaking" Greeks. Greek nationalists tend to say Macedonian national identity does not exist.

They are right,it doesn't.

[Faklon]

During the period of Ottoman rule in Thessaly, the main settlement in the location of modern Karditsa was called Sotira,[2] but a village named Kardhítza was mentioned by the English traveler Leake in 1810.[3] Karditsa was incorporated as a new city in 1882, the year after its liberation from the Ottoman Empire.

Sotira doesn't sound very Slavic,both have meanings in Greek.

[Scholarios]

Sotira doesn't sound very Slavic,both have meanings in Greek.

Nope. But they chose Karditsa ( Slavic; , city, walled - town) more or less randomly based on an old Proto-Slav name that happened to be left over from
A thousand years before ..

[Faklon]

Nope. But they chose Karditsa ( Slavic; , city, walled - town) more or less randomly based on an old Proto-Slav name that happened to be left over from
A thousand years before ..

I didn't see any Gorditsa there,but straight forward without changes Karditza/Small Heart in Greek.Nevermind that it mentions a village.

[Scholarios]

Sotira doesn't sound very Slavic,both have meanings in Greek.

I guess Gradice in Kosovo is also Greek. Or Graditz in East Germany ( Sorb town btw)

And what's " Gardiki" mean in Greek?

( hint it's actually the same or similar etymology- but all Slavs left that settlement earlier- hence it survived in different form). Same way the Turks froze and distorted our toponyms in Anatolia ie Nikomedia-Iznik, Smyrne-Izmir etc.).

[Faklon]

I guess Gradice in Kosovo is also Greek. Or Graditz in East Germany ( Sorb town btw)

Unrelated,name isn't even similar.

Was Gordium in Phrygia Slavic too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordium