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    We have the same in Albania...Many towns and villages have slavic names said second local language"Gradec,Beligrad-Berat,Cernavoda -ēorrovoda,and others...Albanian academy knows the problem and accepts that in the south of Albania there are remains of Slavs (obvious Albanized), maybe this also explains that 30% of Tosks have Slavic blood (R1A + I 170 ) ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielion View Post
    Bulgarian-Greeks are what they're called.
    and they call themselves bulgaro-greeks.... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by solaris View Post
    and they call themselves bulgaro-greeks.... ?
    They call themselves Makedontsi. The Greeks/Vlachs and the Pontian refugees call them Dopii, ie, locals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvenDC View Post
    They are right,it doesn't.
    You sure about? I can assure you that there are far more Slavic speakers in Greece identifying as Macedonians, rather than Bulgarians.

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    Slavs in Greece? I just call them Greeks, or Slavicized Sicilians, which is what you are.


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    Interesting point, this Greek tourism website for Thessaly, claims Karditsa is either the Slavic word for "town" like I said earlier, or possibly the Greek diminutive for walnut. Which makes a bit more sense- as naming the village after the fruit that grows there is a traditional South Slav as well as Greek practices.

    Max Vasmer, the German Slavist also lists both Karditsa and Karditsomagoula as being of Slavic origin.
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    I don't want to spoil the mood in here, but Karditsa does not look Slavic to me. Gradica in Kosova actually comes from the Slavic word Grad, which basically means town. While Karditsa or Kardhitsa, seems to me, and sounds like the Greekified Albanian word Gardhi, which means fence. I could be wrong but the pronunciations seem very close to me.

    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gardh

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    Greeks aren't just Slavicized Sicilians (or Slavicized anything) Their ancestry is primarily Ancient Greek. Still, I wonder how much of a Contribution Slavs had on Greek genetics. Racially Slavic admixture is close to zero though, as in Bulgaria, their "South Slavic" northern neighbors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Morrison View Post
    Greeks aren't just Slavicized Sicilians
    Even in the Peloponnese, on GEDmatch they come up like 2/3 Sicilian, 1/3 Polish or nearby Balto-Slavic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geni View Post
    We have the same in Albania...Many towns and villages have slavic names said second local language"Gradec,Beligrad-Berat,Cernavoda -ēorrovoda,and others...Albanian academy knows the problem and accepts that in the south of Albania there are remains of Slavs (obvious Albanized), maybe this also explains that 30% of Tosks have Slavic blood (R1A + I 170 ) ...
    Yes, don't forget near your hometown there also is the town Kardiq, which we call as Gardiki in Greek.. Interestingly, in North Albania you also have "Gradice" (as you mentioned). Showing you had Ancient Proto-Slavs in South (eventually Hellenized probably around 9th Century) and in the North you had Slavs quite a bit later...Not good news for those who posit continual Albanian presence in the North or South.
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