Dienekes: Turkish Speaking Anatolians Are Irano-Armenians Who Adopted the Turkish Language

[Xanthias]

Judaeo-like populations?

Xanthias, this is a genetics forum. Surely you know that European Jews (Ashkenazis, Sephardics, Moroccan Jews, Italkim, Romaniotes) are about as European, genetically speaking, as Sicilians and Greek Islanders, and more European than Cypriots?

surely, what I meant is that his map is primarly biased.

[Linet]

I have no problem being kin to Jews but since they have the money they should take care of the family

[Armenian Bishop]

This is psychologic war against Turkish people identity and history.

What the heck are you talking about? If you want to be understood, there should be a reference to what and whom you're talking about.

[Kamal900]

Judaeo-like populations?

Xanthias, this is a genetics forum. Surely you know that European Jews (Ashkenazis, Sephardics, Moroccan Jews, Italkim, Romaniotes) are about as European, genetically speaking, as Sicilians and Greek Islanders, and more European than Cypriots?

Ashkenazim on average are 40 percent european admixture, while the Sephardic jews are much less euro than their ashkenazi counterparts. Cypriots do have some euro admixture, but not as much as the Ashkenazi.

[Kamal900]

As for turks being of Armenian ancestry, the turkish people and armenians genetically cluster together, but the Caucasians, especially circassians, cluster the turks the closest. Turkish people on average are around 9 to 20 percent turkic admixed, depending on the region of course.

[Longbowman]

Ashkenazim on average are 40 percent european admixture, while the Sephardic jews are much less euro than their ashkenazi counterparts. Cypriots do have some euro admixture, but not as much as the Ashkenazi.

They're only 40% if you consider Sicilians to be 45%. It depends on how you measure it. Sephardics are not much less Euro and actually overlap with AJs. Both are much more European than Cypriots.

[Black Wolf]

He is actually right about Greeks being closely related to European Jews.

Yup and Southern Italians as well. From a genetic perspective anyways.

[Proto-Shaman]

What the heck are you talking about? If you want to be understood, there should be a reference to what and whom you're talking about.

We can detect the same propaganda against the Hungarian nation, the Finno-Ugrian theory has sought to contradict the traditional account of Hungarian origins and the Sumerian-Hungarian relationship through a seemingly scientific linguistic approach. However, a more careful analysis of the facts reveals that the methodology of the Finno-Ugrian school is unscientific and that the motives of the Finno-Ugrian theory's promoters are political and ideological: their objective has been to weaken the Hungarian national identity by instilling a collective inferiority complex in order to weaken national resistance and to consolidate foreign rule in Hungary. The current "mainstream" Hungarian historiography adheres to the Finno-Ugrian orientation, promoting the view that the Hungarians were "primitive Asiatic latecomers and intruders" in the more "civilized" Europe. This official historical interpretation is therefore characterized by a dogmatic state of denial which deliberately ignores or dismisses the ancient Turanian origins of the Hungarians, the Sumerian-Scythian-Hun-Avar-Magyar identity and continuity, and the fundamental cultural, political and military Hungarian achievements of the millenia prior to 1000 AD which laid the foundations of the Hungarian state.

The generally propagated version of the events surrounding the Magyar settlement states that after having been subjects of the Khazar empire, the Magyar tribes were forced to flee Westward due to their defeat by the advancing Petchenegs, thus arriving in the Carpathian Basin where they subjugated the already established populations which were supposedly Indo-European. After the conquest, the Magyar tribes conducted raids against Western Europe which were stopped as a result of their defeat by the Germans in 955, following which the Magyars remained in Hungary and were converted to Western Christianism.

This version of events has been propagated by the official Hungarian historiography under foreign regimes - Habsburg and communist - as well as by the anti-Hungarian propaganda of the late 19th and early 20th c. disseminated by Hungary's neighbours. The resulting highly distorted image of the Hungarians is the product of the traditional Eurocentric bias which considers everything of Asiatic origin to be primitive and barbarian in comparison to what is referred to as "Western Civilization", and of the retro-projection of the current ethnic composition of the Carpathian Basin and of Hungary's current political status as a relatively small and weak country back to the period of the Hungarian settlement.

[Imamudin]

As for turks being of Armenian ancestry, the turkish people and armenians genetically cluster together, but the Caucasians, especially circassians, cluster the turks the closest. Turkish people on average are around 9 to 20 percent turkic admixed, depending on the region of course.

Those from Turkey cluster close to Turks due to a high degree of admixture but not those from Caucasus.

[Böri]

We arent Irano Armenoids but in Turkey there are many millions of them and they arent Turks. They are Kurds, Armenians and Zazas. Armenians genetically cluster with Assyrians and Levants people not us. We also don't cluster with Circassians. We are separate from both Irano Armenians and Circassians